www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206976...k-lose-benefits.html

A father was disgusted after his severely disabled son might have to prove he couldn't work in order to receive benefits.
Liam Barker, 18, was not expected to live beyond three months old after he was born paralysed and has remained on life support since birth.
But Liam defied his prognosis and celebrated his milestone birthday in December last year despite being born with an incredibly rare condition, called myotubular myopathy, a terminal muscle wasting disease.

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This is the problem with the Posh boys who run our country, but you would have thought that Cameron, who had a very disabled child, would have put in some compassion to the system?

Quicker Labour, Monster Raving Looney Party or BNP are in power the better.

All very laudible, steve ... but yet again YOU FAIL to say who will pay for propping-up (temporarily) these people who will never contribute anything.

I dont want to sound harsh ... but its the easiest thing in the world to say "we should do more" ... where would it end???

Wouldnt it be nice if every sick person had their own personal nurse?

Do YOU want to be the first to contribute ?

ITK, generally families and parents are the main carers - many have to put their careers on hold - or stopped - to do this. Be thankful the Government doesn't pay the families what they are really worth as regards being full time carer. My ex wife is a full time carer for my own disabled son, I am a part time carer, having to work part time to be able to stop myself being on the unemployment register. (I worked nearly 20 years, I think I've contributed quite a bit to the system over that time.)

And you say 'these people who will never contribute anything'. Are you suggesting that the disabled should be euthanised? Where do we stop, kill everyone who reaches 70? If say you develop cancer or another disease, put them down too?

If we stopped getting involved in pointless wars, maybe there would be enough money to go around. If we started to tax properly big businesses maybe there would be enough to go around. Taking from the welfare budget for the mega rich to stay mega rich isn't really the best idea....

andrew wrote:
Quicker Labour, Monster Raving Looney Party or BNP are in power the better.

People go on about how bad Maggie T was for this country, but even she didn't go this far.

Once again you are letting your personal circumstances cloud the issue

steveimp wrote:
And you say 'these people who will never contribute anything'. Are you suggesting that the disabled should be euthanised? Where do we stop, kill everyone who reaches 70? If say you develop cancer or another disease, put them down too?

Not at all ... but what has really been achieved if a child, expected to die at 12 months lives till 14 months?

If we stopped getting involved in pointless wars, maybe there would be enough money to go around.

Agreed - and you will remember how hard I campaigned against the illegal Iraq war.
BUT - I read now that people are having breast enlargements on the NHS - whatever savings we make, there will be someone to waste the money.

If we started to tax properly big businesses maybe there would be enough to go around. Taking from the welfare budget for the mega rich to stay mega rich isn't really the best idea....

... or maybe the big business will relocate - then we would have NO TAX income at all?

In The Know wrote:
Once again you are letting your personal circumstances cloud the issue

steveimp wrote:
And you say 'these people who will never contribute anything'. Are you suggesting that the disabled should be euthanised? Where do we stop, kill everyone who reaches 70? If say you develop cancer or another disease, put them down too?

Not at all ... but what has really been achieved if a child, expected to die at 12 months lives till 14 months?

You'd change that mindset if you were in that position. And a lot is achieved, particularly from a health service point of view, which may allow another child to live a lot longer (or perhaps be taken off that list).


Agreed - and you will remember how hard I campaigned against the illegal Iraq war.
BUT - I read now that people are having breast enlargements on the NHS - whatever savings we make, there will be someone to waste the money.

That's a totally different thing though. Keeping an innocent child or adult alive and as painfree as possible is different to someone deciding to have bigger (or smaller) mammary glands.

If you came down with a devestating disease, wouldn't you want to have an extended quality of life as possible? If you don't, that's your choice of course, but small children - and perhaps the elderly - may not have that choice to make.


If we started to tax properly big businesses maybe there would be enough to go around. Taking from the welfare budget for the mega rich to stay mega rich isn't really the best idea....

... or maybe the big business will relocate - then we would have NO TAX income at all?[/quote]

So all the big businesses will leave the country if tax is raised? That is a strawman argument of the mega rich, but they will never leave because the laws in this country benefit them more so than going to Dubai or anywhere like that.

Your right about cosmetic surgery on the NHS ITK, it's a joke what you can have done for free why should we pay for sex changes, tattoo removal and big plastic tits ?

ITK wrote:
"or maybe the big business will relocate"

Yeah. All the banks will move to the Virgin Islands. But have the Virgin Islands (or similar tax heavens) enough money to bail them out the next time?

andrew wrote:
Your right about cosmetic surgery on the NHS ITK, it's a joke what you can have done for free why should we pay for sex changes, tattoo removal and big plastic tits ?

fully agree

and what about gastric bands - so the fatties can keep on stuffing themselves?

Fat people are selfish they blame everyone on their diet but themselves no forced them to eat crap. What's your views on smokers and European immigrants ITK ?

andrew wrote:
What's your views on smokers and European immigrants ITK ?

I'm a believer in freedom - and people should (generally) have the right to do whatever they want (as long as it does not cause harm to others).

If smokers want to take the (known) risks - thats up to them - but I dont see why I should pay for their treatment when the worst happens.

Re : European migration. A little more difficult. I'd prefer that they weren't here, but can't really blame anyone for looking for a better life for themselves and their families.

How many millions of Brits moved to South Africa, Rhodesia, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc - in search of a better life?

How many Brits have moved to Spain etc?

I blame the EU - I was very in favour of a common market but no one ever asked us about further enlargement and integration. What on earth has, say, a farmer in Eire got in common with a farmer in Turkey?????

They don't speak the same language, have the same culture, religion or politics - how can anyone expect them to be members of the same club????

Odd, or not, InAKnot/IAK blames everyone for US-UK Fascist Fraud-Market financial ills falling Worldwide from hitting their own wall, Wall Street in '08. BUT ne'er blames the very source of ills, US-UK Fascist Fraud Market itself !

Case dismissed. Bring on the next US-UK IAK 'in-denial don't give a damn' (nut)case please.

What annoys me they hate the country, the British have no intention of speaking our language they won't vote but they love my local dole office and hospital.

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
What's your views on smokers and European immigrants ITK ?

I'm a believer in freedom - and people should (generally) have the right to do whatever they want (as long as it does not cause harm to others).

If smokers want to take the (known) risks - thats up to them - but I dont see why I should pay for their treatment when the worst happens.

Re : European migration. A little more difficult. I'd prefer that they weren't here, but can't really blame anyone for looking for a better life for themselves and their families.

How many millions of Brits moved to South Africa, Rhodesia, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc - in search of a better life?

How many Brits have moved to Spain etc?

I blame the EU - I was very in favour of a common market but no one ever asked us about further enlargement and integration. What on earth has, say, a farmer in Eire got in common with a farmer in Turkey?????

They don't speak the same language, have the same culture, religion or politics - how can anyone expect them to be members of the same club????

I must be unwell...or similar...I keep agreeing with you today ITK
Well balanced reply to a very complex position.

Innocent Accused wrote:
[b],I must be unwell...or similar...I keep agreeing with you today ITK
Well balanced reply to a very complex position.

You are quite sane, IA - welcome to the club (there are very few of us).

As for me I believe the State should support the disabled 100% and I'm in favour of no immigration restrictions whatsoever. I also believe we should be in the Euro.

But I admit I'm in a minority.

itk It could happen to you!
Guess not though, because you would not know what work is, except that it is a four letter word.

You are in the know about nothing club, and you cannot even format a message!

JK2006 wrote:
As for me I believe the State should support the disabled 100% and I'm in favour of no immigration restrictions whatsoever. I also believe we should be in the Euro.

But I admit I'm in a minority.

Yep the State has to support the disabled 100%. I had a disabling condition for a couple of years, could not work, now I am out of it I am working self employed and adore it.

As regards immigration, if they have a job to come into, then there should be no immigration restriction. If there is no work, then yes there should be restrictions.

The Euro is dead as a dodo JK, within 10 years I predict that every country in it would have reverted to their old currencies or the super powers of the Euro such as Germany and France would have adopted a localised version between themselves.