Were we right to ignore them when they swept the BBC in the 60s and 70s?

We turned a blind eye. We thought they were rubbish - cruel, vile, unfair, inspired by jealousy and hatred.

Of course, Bernard Braden, Desmond Wilcox and the others are all dead now so we cannot ask them.

I personally refuse to believe them. She seemed a nice enough lady. Surely she could never....

Why didn't they do something sooner when he was popular why wait till his death ? I don't believe any of this allegations simply to the fact he can't defend himself. There were rumors when Jim was alive but nothing came to court or any arrests were made.


Jim will always be innocent.

and I always like Paul Gambiccini but not so much now. Joined in the chorus of 'rumours' and promoting the bullshit notion (someone back me up here) that one newspaper balked at running an anti-Saville tale because he gave an interview to another tabloid.

All I can say is that Paul has been bloody well asleep for decades as he obviously hasn't a clue how Fleet street worked.

Let them have their field day..all be forgotten in a few months. Not sure what the alleged victims will get out of this..and are there none from the last 20 years ??..what happened there?

Got a funny feeling in my old bones..that dodgy ex-copper will come to a sticky end as well. tempting karma...very dangerous.

I have an (ex) friend that was a huge talent agent for big stars until she 'discovered' she was abused as a child (apparently couldn't remember). Now runs a home for abused women and always ready with a quote for the media...no-one is ever ever innocent in her eyes..very scary.

...I bet that if one were to put the words "Esther + Rantzen + Rumours + Bresden" + "??" into Google, you'd find nothing. Whereas if you were to do the same for JS ten years ago, you'd have found a whole stack of posts mentioning morgues, young girls, Mandeville, supplying Ted Heath with boys, etc. Then again Ken, before you were arrested, there wouldn't have been any rumours about you circulating on the net either. The rest, as they say, is history: it turned out that you did have an interest in teenage boys (none of which you say were under 16), many of whom would later make statements about what happened when they were with you.

I see that Esther is convinced that the individual testimonies in the documentary are true. Interestingly, most of the people interviewed have never met each other, and a couple have waived their right to anonymity - no conspiracy there then. There's even one from a BBC employee who saw something happen in the dressing room, and another producer called De'ath who saw him in a restaurant back in the 60s with a 12 year old girl. When asked if TOTP was his hunting ground, he replied "Yes". Add to this Savile's comments about Gary Glitter having been targeted by the Police because he was famous, and just for watching a few 'dodgy' movies, I'm afraid for me the jury is getting closer to reaching its verdict...

Esther has written a piece in the Daily Mail today, saying how she believes JS was made into a 'god-like figure' - a saint in a clown's clothes. Perhaps there will be more to come out after the documentary is aired?

andrew wrote:
Why didn't they do something sooner when he was popular why wait till his death ? I don't believe any of this allegations simply to the fact he can't defend himself. There were rumors when Jim was alive but nothing came to court or any arrests were made.


Jim will always be innocent.

What a contrary fellow you are when it comes to evaluating news stories. So "Jim" is innocent because you choose not to believe these stories? Good for you. The next time it suits you to denounce anyone you DON'T like, such stories will no doubt assume the status of proof.

Yes; police (and ex police) often use "these victims have never met each other" to corroborate stories; usually they have all met the same interviewing police officer (or ex police officer) who sometimes forgets to turn the tape on for a few minutes...

And "waiving anonymity" can sometimes be interpreted as "gets much more money when not having to disguise face".

I do hope you've seen Vile Pervert The Musical DICT - especially the bits about the blue door and circumcision.

David Icke who now claims the Isle Of Wight is Freemason's cesspit is ignoring the capacity for 'independent' witnesses to have their tales re-inforced by others.

there is one thing that sticks out in all this.... the man driving all this is doing for a profit..a dodgy ex-copper and self proclaimed (like Esther) 'child protection' expert who is on record for lying that he was involved in the Maddie McCann search.

If all this rubbish is true : then he and Esther are as guilty as JS.

But where are the so-called 'victims' from the past 20/30 years ? Or did this alleged rampant pedo suddenly cease having a sex life????

This is really dangerous stuff..people coming out of the woodwork all claiming they 'knew the rumours'..it's real witchhunt and lynch mob stuff. But a tabloid's dream.

Hedda wrote:
and I always like Paul Gambiccini but not so much now.

Come on Gambo, toe the line, there's a good boy! Hedda will get angry!

I've said it before (many times .... I'll say it again.

IF anyone has a complaint to make, and does not make it immediately, they not only destroy their own credibility but (by allowing any forensic evidence to disappear) also destroy any chance of someone defending himself (esp when dead !!!!)

Well said (again) In The Know, if slightly simplistic.

Some victims are sadly coerced (threatened, bribed, or blackmailed) NOT to complain, until feeling safe to do so, sometimes much later.

For TRUE Justice, only FULL FACTS & WHOLE TRUTH can properly distinguish the few truly aBused from the many merrily aMused but then CONfused by bent-cops/media(is there a straight-1?)

Or those not even known to the accused, but later lusting for mucho state-compo & bent-media 6-figure fees, decades later.

LoL.

Who knows if he was a sex pest or not, he was clearly a nasty little man who abused his powers and obviously thought he was untouchable. Couple that with the fact that he was a bit of an oddball eccentric. I think we've been hood winked by JS poing as a saint of all saints. Maybe this is why these stories have come out now?

Esther Rancid is just a jealous old bag.

I don't know if these allegations against Savile are true, and I couldn't give a toss.

Judging dead men for what they did or didn't do in the sexually anarchic 60's by the moral standards of 21st century tabloids that hack into the mobile phones of murdered schoolkids (to feed the great uneducated British public's demand for pedosleeze - supply and demand).

Just go watch a Carry On film from the 60's or 70's and then judge celebrities from that period for jumping into bed with horny young groupies (who certainly weren't complaining at the time) - about as wicked back then as returning your library books a week late.

Likely everybody was at it - Jonathan King got picked out because he was a homosexual, Jimmy Saville because he was an oddball.

Besides, the age of consent is completely arbitary and patently ridiculous in a 21st century secularised and sexualised society. It was raised from 13 to 16 in the late 19th century by wizened old Suffragettes who believed that sex outside of marriage was a wicked sin and who were soon handing out white feathers to 15 year old boys and disabled men for not dying in the trenches of the First World War.

Look at the French who couldn't give a rat's arse about a 30 year old man bonking a 15 year old girl - because the age of consent happens to be 15 there. Completely and utterly arbitary and irrational.

angel wrote:
Who knows if he was a sex pest or not, he was clearly a nasty little man who abused his powers and obviously thought he was untouchable. Couple that with the fact that he was a bit of an oddball eccentric. I think we've been hood winked by JS poing as a saint of all saints. Maybe this is why these stories have come out now?

Hmmm..well if he wasn't a sex pest (and you begin your 'argument' with 'who knows if') then what are you basing your assertiong that 'he was clearly a nasty little man who abused his powers...'

And what the hell has being an oddball eccentric got to do with it?

but why was he a 'nasty little man' angel?

I know plenty of people who knew Saville and I never heard these 'rumours'.

I never even thought he was an oddball, just someone who turned his shocking clothing taste into an advantage!

And he was very nice to his Mum.

Blackit: there must be dozens of aging former pop stars terrified now because of the rampant urges of the 60s /70s. If Elvis was alive they'd be calling him a pedo.

Blackit, I'm playing devils advocate, calm down (again) dear. Hedda, yo never saw him as an oddball? Really? Nothing wrong with being an oddball but it leaves you wide open to these allegations if you're a bit of a weirdo loner. There have been numerous reports throughout the years from many who have met him who saw him as a bully who abused his position, particularly towards women. There was however no suggestion from the victims who suffered his abuse to support him as a "sext pest". My point is that these stories surfacing now may have been because of his nasty, sexist behaviour.

Blackit wrote:
Esther Rancid is just a jealous old bag.

I don't know if these allegations against Savile are true, and I couldn't give a toss.

Judging dead men for what they did or didn't do in the sexually anarchic 60's by the moral standards of 21st century tabloids that hack into the mobile phones of murdered schoolkids (to feed the great uneducated British public's demand for pedosleeze - supply and demand).

Just go watch a Carry On film from the 60's or 70's and then judge celebrities from that period for jumping into bed with horny young groupies (who certainly weren't complaining at the time) - about as wicked back then as returning your library books a week late.

Likely everybody was at it - Jonathan King got picked out because he was a homosexual, Jimmy Saville because he was an oddball.

Besides, the age of consent is completely arbitary and patently ridiculous in a 21st century secularised and sexualised society. It was raised from 13 to 16 in the late 19th century by wizened old Suffragettes who believed that sex outside of marriage was a wicked sin and who were soon handing out white feathers to 15 year old boys and disabled men for not dying in the trenches of the First World War.

Look at the French who couldn't give a rat's arse about a 30 year old man bonking a 15 year old girl - because the age of consent happens to be 15 there. Completely and utterly arbitary and irrational.

***** Post of the Week !

well Angel the great wonder of England is that it's full of people we could think are oddballs and JS just seemed to be one of them but not in a creepy way.

However..I am gradually being 'persuaded' by the media that this is all true !!

so what does that say ???

a big BUT-..I get the feeling that JS may have done a few things that were normal in the 60s/70s.

perhaps he fumbled here and there as did so many in that era. Age was not an issue. But were are the so-called 'victims' from the 80s through 2000s ???

As far as I can re-call..I was 'raped' 3 times that I can remember ( I was gorgeous as a yoof) What was my role in that?. Did I allow myself to be a 'victim'?. Who knows?

did it 'ruin my life' as some dame who says JS cuddled here and groped her ?. Fuck no.

We are judging someone on 1970s morals and that is not fair.

Yes. I think Blackit hit a high note with that one.

This is extraordinary. The Met are now investigating.

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/02/jimmy-savile-rape-claim

What are they going to do? Exhume his corpse and lock him up?

Jim wrote:
This is extraordinary. The Met are now investigating.

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/02/jimmy-savile-rape-claim

What are they going to do? Exhume his corpse and lock him up?

well they can haul Esther Rantzen and Paul Gambaccini in for a start.

Apparently they knew all this was happening but said nought.

As Paul G. says "been waiting 30-years for the allegations to come out."

the precedent has been set with a Catholic priest in Australia charged with knowing absue went on but saying nothing :
www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/pries...do317g-1226486109320

Honestly, some people should think twice before opening their traps.