www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19887019

Can anyone tell me what the point of all this is?
You cannot prosecute someone who is dead !!!!!!!!

And no-one appears to have given a thought to Savile's family. Imagine what they must be going through having these dreadful accusations against a loved one who cannot even defend himself. Anyone whom has had a loved one who has died, I cannot imagine anything worse.

"It's vital that those who have been victims of that actually get the recognition and acknowledgement and support that they deserve."


drip by drip, alowly and surely...the case for compensation will begin and become a downpour.

The police chief in charge of the investigation reveals 8 official complaints and says "he'd be in custody".

Without any investigation?

Just as a result of complaints?

Says it all about our judicial system. No evidence needed. The women might have been 16 or older ("He found teenage girls attractive" he spat scornfully - 4 out of 7 teenage girls are legal sexual partners).

Of course there may have been no consent; in which case I find the fact that 100% of the victims went home happy (and probably boasting "I met a star") to be odd.

Of course, we know from Esther "children never lie". Tell that to Jamie Bulger. We know adults who grow up "never lie". Tell that to the thousands of false accusers.

But the public don't have enough brain cells to think about it. And the media, regarding readers, listeners and viewers as morons, can only carry the one extreme view.

We are going to hell in a handcart and what annoys me is... we are steering and pushing it.

Hedda wrote:
"It's vital that those who have been victims of that actually get the recognition and acknowledgement and support that they deserve."


drip by drip, alowly and surely...the case for compensation will begin and become a downpour.

I was abused by Lord Lucan, Princess Margaret and Rod Hull and his bloody Emu at the same time.

See how easy it is?

Now wheres my cash?

No-one believes them anyway Jim is dead and there is no prove.

I wonder why Savile lied when he said that he'd never visited the Haute de la Garenne children's home in Jersey. Eventually, you know, he was forced to retract that statement when photographic evidence to the contrary was produced. Did you know his name came up in Lenny Harper's abuse investigations? Also, he was interviewed by the police under caution in 2007; and somebody told the police in 2004 that he was travelling to Goa (while in his 70s) to find underage girls. You have to agree that it doesn't look good does it.

Just as a small aside, when you were 15 Ken, did you ever have any experiences with middle-aged men? Did you find of them remotely 'attractive'? Did any 'seduce' you? Had the opportunity arisen, would you have 'gone' for it? I very much doubt it.

In The Know wrote:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19887019

Can anyone tell me what the point of all this is?
You cannot prosecute someone who is dead !!!!!!!!

Thanks ITK,

This is exactly what I have been trying to find out. Please let me know if you discover.

Best Wishes,
Jim

steveimp wrote:
Hedda wrote:
"It's vital that those who have been victims of that actually get the recognition and acknowledgement and support that they deserve."


drip by drip, alowly and surely...the case for compensation will begin and become a downpour.

I was abused by Lord Lucan, Princess Margaret and Rod Hull and his bloody Emu at the same time.

See how easy it is?

Now wheres my cash?

I can confirm Rod Hull's Emu was a rapist. He goosed Michael Parkinson in full view of audience members..where?..at the BBC of course !. Parkinson was furious and angry as he should have been, the only time I've ever seen him distressed.

was Emu ever brought to account?. Of course not. The bloody feather fiend lived out his life in luxury while saints like Esther Rantzen bit their tongue and were terrified to speak about this vicious Antipodean beast who had poor old Hull under his spell. Wherever Emu went, Hull was dragged along side by side with this abuser. In fact, rumours have abounded for years that Emu forced Hull to place his hand in a very nasty part of Emu's anatomy.

"We are going to hell in a handcart and what annoys me is... we are steering and pushing it."

Yip. It's a fundamental flaw in the laws of evolution. The stag that gets to penetrate the herd is the one who is too stupid to stop crashing his head and horns against another stag. The smart stag thinks "I'm not sure this is doing me any good" and gives up so the psycho stag that "won" the scrap gets to spread his DNA. I don't see much has changed.

The media panders to morons and the voices of intelligent humans is mere tape hiss.

I WAS actually "molested" by a record producer in the late 70s. I've never really held anything against the guy (fnar fnar) but it would be very interesting what the response of the police would be were I to report this event because the guy is far from famous though, if the guy is still alive, I wouldn't fancy stooping so low just to try and prove appoint ... anyway, yes, I cannot see what will improve things in the UK or where it might come from. I can see an awful lot of social unrest ahead and a pretty horrible future for England once Scotland decides to wander off and do its own thing.

Savile's gravestone was removed during last night - "out of respect to public opinion".

The words "rest in peace" suddenly seem very hollow.

BBC Radio York are now broadcasting live from the cemetery !

Can anything be more sick .... or more pointless ?

So what do you suggest - should we all just ignore these claims?

Should we all just turn our backs like people have been doing all these years?

Or maybe we are better than that?

I can understand why questions are being asked. They might find that the BBC or other studios acted like the Catholic church in covering up allegations.

But these "allegations" weren't made then so weren't "covered up".
And when allegations WERE made to police, they were fully investigated and found groundless.

In The Know wrote:
BBC Radio York are now broadcasting live from the cemetery !

Can anything be more sick .... or more pointless ?

I agree but are we in a minority? I presume they're covering this "event" because they think the public want them to.

If you google "Capper Pass""Polonium 210" you'll find a story affecting hundreds of thousands of people in that part of the world which the BBC buried but as soon as one Russian is thought to have been assassinated with Polonium 210, the BBC go on and on about it for years.

Something I really don't get is ... the BBC knows it's losing audience for its current affairs and news output at an alarming rate by basically being nothing more than a Government/Foreign Office press office. You can sit on the tube and read the web sites of Press TV and Russia Today on your mobile and find a whole new interesting agenda of world news. Is the BBC going to start advertising on Press TV to try and get viewers back?

I sometimes work with a very intelligent and kind Tunisian who tells me no-one back home takes the BBC Persian or Arabic services seriously.

Leonard TIples wrote:
So what do you suggest - should we all just ignore these claims?

Should we all just turn our backs like people have been doing all these years?

Or maybe we are better than that?

I don't trust anything to be properly investigated in the UK. After Hillsborough ..... Levison and, re the post I made about Nicholas Fairbairn, if Savile's to lose his knighthood, shouldn't Nicholas Fairbairn?

JK2006 wrote:
But these "allegations" weren't made then so weren't "covered up".
And when allegations WERE made to police, they were fully investigated and found groundless.

I am not talking about allegations made to the police - I mean allegations or complaints made internally to members of staff, producers, directors, make-up artists
etc. These days, a complaint made by one of these teenagers would normally have to be reported to a relevant person who would then report it to the police (as would happen in, say, a school). A complaint made during the 1960's and 70's would probably have just been papered over, but the amount of stuff that was seemingly going on at the BBC must have been seen by more than one member of staff who was involved in some way with JS and his productions. The documentary only came up with one BBC woman who walked in on him during a 'clinch' (why on earth didn't he lock the door?). If these things actually happened there must be many more retired staff who were witnesses to complaints and occurances and told to 'hush up or else' by higher powers. Are they too guilt-ridden and afraid that they will be asked the same question - 'Why did you not do anything at the time?' Or was nothing seen by these people because nothing happened and he was just an eccentric weirdo who boasted about his non-existant bird-pulling prowess to deflect the rumours that he was perhaps asexual or gay? Who knows?

I suppose first, we have to decide if anything happened at all, secondly, if anything DID happen, did anyone complain? If anyone complained, who did they complain to?

The world has changed. If Jimmy Savile's behaviour in 1958 is to be judged by 2012 standards and his reputation and legacy affected, I think the same process should be applied to the government, the police and the state.

I'm still also suspicious that anyone truly damaged by being "abused" by anyone should keep quiet about it for so long.

If my life was a mess and I knew it was because I'd been abused, I'd have done something about it, talked about it, sought counselling.

Don't we, as a society, have bigger fish to fry than this and if our police are running around doing the media's bidding, shouldn't we stop that?

Leonard TIples wrote:
So what do you suggest - should we all just ignore these claims?

A genuine claim would have been made at the time.

Currently Savile's reputation is being denigrated by faceless / nameless individuals who can never be tested in Court (for example to see what their character is like !!)

Should we all just turn our backs like people have been doing all these years?

Sounds if you have already decided -why bother with a Judge and Jury ?

Or maybe we are better than that?

or just more stupid and gullible ?