Possibly the most extraordinary event in years was the report on Police behaviour in Hillsborough; I predict on here that Surrey Police will soon be investigated on the failure to find Levi Bellfield for 4 years after he killed Milly Dowler, allowing him to murder two more innocent girls (considered by the Leveson Inquiry "not high profile enough" to warrant investigation).

They will examine the morality of Surrey Police at the time and look closely at the behaviour of officers involved (and ex officers who "advised" the team).

And there will be prosecutions.

Probably too soon. They need to be sure anyone liable to found guilty or charged is sufficiently old, ill, insane, infirm, unable to testify.

Anyway, when police were investigated regarding Ian Tomlinson, it seems police are allowed to simply refuse to co-operate with any enquiry into them or their colleagues.

It's a very unfortunate monopoly on the power to investigate and even then you have to get the CPS to decide there's sufficient evidence for a prosecution.

The British state has a long and proud tradition of refuting allegations against it, reluctantly agreeing to a succession of enquiries obliged to work within unworkable parameters with uncooperative state officials until, eventually, the government of the day "apologises" once all the culprits are dead. Unfortunately, the people who covered up Hillsborough know too much about other things the state has got up to for the state to ever go after them seriously.

We are being presented with the "facade" of an attempt to find who was responsible for the cover up. It's unthinkable Westminster was unaware of any cover up.

The whole idea the IPCC are the people to take this on is laughable. Most IPCC staff are ex police force. The IPCC has been around long enough to train up its own NON ex police staff who understand how the police work but are NOT ex police and it's quite common for officers to refuse to be interviewed by them.

"According to reports, officers who witnessed the death of Mark Duggan last August have refused to be interviewed by the IPCC and provided statements instead. Mr Duggan was shot by Met firearms officers and his death sparked last year’s riots.

Dame Anne added that compelling officers to attend interviews would not normally prohibit their evidence being using in any subsequent proceedings. She admitted officers might simply answer “no comment” to questions.

“Such a provision would, at least, ensure that officers came through the door and were not seen, by families and the public, to be evading interview and defying the IPCC as the statutory investigating authority,” said Dame Anne."

touch.policeoracle.com/news/article/id/50825

sadly too true Astro Boy.

but JK may be right for no other reason than the cops have embarrassed the tabloids so they may exact revenge.

But let's keep it real here and concentrate on very important matters like John Peel having a screw a few decades ago.

I've watched the public lose faith in the media; virtually nobody trusts or believes the media these days; and the police force is going the same way. Some of us who had the scales stripped from our eyes 12 years ago knew this; now everyone else is finding it out.

I predict alot of retirements (on health grounds, so they can keep the pension) in South Yorkshire police - very soon !

Watch this space.

In The Know wrote:
I predict alot of retirements (on health grounds, so they can keep the pension) in South Yorkshire police - very soon !

Watch this space.

well, well, well ! ITK right again !

1444 South Yorkshire police to be quizzed over Hillsborough

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20035472

AND

investigation into policing of the miners strike reveals that police (esp south yorkshire police) told lies and distorted evidence !

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19982118

Who'd a thought it?

In The Know wrote:
In The Know wrote:
I predict alot of retirements (on health grounds, so they can keep the pension) in South Yorkshire police - very soon !

Watch this space.

well, well, well ! ITK right again !

1444 South Yorkshire police to be quizzed over Hillsborough

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20035472

AND

investigation into policing of the miners strike reveals that police (esp south yorkshire police) told lies and distorted evidence !

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19982118

Who'd a thought it?

well I was there to support the miners and it's the day I went off the police...nasty vicious thugs who beat and punched working men worried about how to feed their kids (and didn't mind belting the odd woman as well).

And the same gormless plebs want other workers to support their own claims.

South Yorks Police are now in trouble regarding the miners strike, again making up statements.
And the BBC are culpable there as well - manipulating film of 'riots' which show miners attacking police, when it was the other way round.

steveimp wrote:
South Yorks Police are now in trouble regarding the miners strike, again making up statements.
And the BBC are culpable there as well - manipulating film of 'riots' which show miners attacking police, when it was the other way round.

there were incidents of violence coming from miners and their supporters but 95% of the time is was provoked by cops barging into them and so on. They're human, someone belts them with a truncheon and it's natural to fight back.

On one side you had a generation of men who really were worried about their future, their jobs,homes and families..on the other paid enforcers who had no reason to be aggressive. they were either ordered to or just plain out for a punch-up.

The saddest thing..people on both sides were working class and should have been natural allies.

Hedda wrote:
who beat and punched working men worried about how to feed their kids

They could always have gone back to work, veritas !

Please explain, why they were unable to "feed their kids" when they were the highest paid (largely unskilled) workforce in the country?

As I've said, awful timing and I wonder what scandals north of the border the SNP will bring up just in time for the referendum?

When Hague tries to make out the UK is a beacon in a dark world to which the oppressed look for help, I just pray, when I die, I'm wherever he and his ilk are not.

The idea the UK has a moral leg to stand on is a farce. Great people, evil rulers.

In The Know wrote:
Hedda wrote:
who beat and punched working men worried about how to feed their kids

They could always have gone back to work, veritas !

Please explain, why they were unable to "feed their kids" when they were the highest paid (largely unskilled) workforce in the country?

They were worried they may lose their jobs and never get them back again because the closure of the pits was an attempt by the ruling elite to destroy the Trades Unions and leave vast swathes of the the industrial north like a scrap heap.

They were right to worry. Take a look round Salford now. It's a wasteland. It wasn't back then.

Best,
Jim

Jim wrote:
They were worried they may lose their jobs and never get them back again because the closure of the pits was an attempt by the ruling elite to destroy the Trades Unions and leave vast swathes of the the industrial north like a scrap heap.

"ruling elite" ???
Don't you mean DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT?

They certainly played right into the government's hands - with flying pickets (mob rule) etc.

They were right to worry. Take a look round Salford now. It's a wasteland. It wasn't back then

Well ... I never knew that Salford was a mining community !

Perhaps you could explain to the electors why we should pay over the odds (for coal) just to keep someone (unemployable elsewhere) in one of the highest paid jobs in the UK (all achieved through militancy of course).

In The Know wrote:
I predict alot of retirements (on health grounds, so they can keep the pension) in South Yorkshire police - very soon !

Watch this space.

Sir Norman Bettison has resigned as chief constable of West Yorkshire Police

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20067716

ha ha ha ... well done ITK .. I wonder how many serving police will be left by the time North Wales, Surrey, South Yorkshire and Merseyside police have been purged?

This story disappeared very quickly www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/96...k-after-suicide.html

Had the Assistant Chief Constable killed himself or was he killed to stop him implicating someone more powerful than him and then his body left to be mashed up by trains?

The Astrological Twin wrote:
ha ha ha ... well done ITK ..
Had the Assistant Chief Constable killed himself or was he killed to stop him implicating someone more powerful than him and then his body left to be mashed up by trains?

My guess is the former, but you never know what machievellian (is that spelt correctly?) things go on in the world of policing and keeping the public away from the truth.

In The Know wrote:
but you never know what machievellian (is that spelt correctly?) things go on in the world of policing and keeping the public away from the truth.

Sad isn't it, when we have to pass a law to force the police to give evidence to the IPCC investigating nearly 100 deaths?

The whole ethos of the police is wrong ... it needs totally dismantling and starting again.