It seems such a wasted opportunity !

Post of the year ITK!

In The Know wrote:
It seems such a wasted opportunity !

have to (reluctantly) agree with JK

Former Bryn Estyn residents..you are letting the side down.

Perhaps they were confusing the Jersey childrens home with a Welsh one?

I'm a little puzzled why so many people on JK's boards seem to be defending Savile and implying that all of this media fuss is purely nonsense? Yes sure, some of these allegations are probably a little exaggerated with the gleam of compensation in people's eyes but surely you people can see that there was clearly something VERY unsavoury about Savile and in all likelihood illegal. You must see that!! Too many comments on here could be misconstrued as defending paedophilia. I'm well aware of JK's experiences with this matter and for the record I certainly believe there is a lot of truth in his version of events and clearly this is why this board is taking the angle it is but there is simply too much evidence and witnesses coming forward now to ignore the fact that Jimmy Savile should have been locked up many many years ago.

Please don't make people think you condone this sort of behaviour.

"implying that all of this media fuss is purely nonsense? "

Now isn't that odd. Time and again almost everyone makes it clear; we do NOT dismiss ALL the allegations. We no more know for a fact he was a pervert than we know he was a saint.

But we do know false allegations and exaggerations exist and very few others seem to state that.

"there is simply too much evidence and witnesses coming forward now"- oddly, the more there are, and the more similar they are to each other, the more they imply that they have emerged through similar media stories.

But I for one do understand reluctance to think the media has that much control over that many people. I found it astonishing in my own case.

I agree JK.

Though witnesses & "evidence" suggested in Meyba's post, I find rather wrongly put. Never mind witnesses & allegations. There doesn't appear to be any actual evidence to prove the witnesses correct. No matter how many people, have said this or that happened.

Like we've previously said until I see an actual recording of JS actually doing something, I feel that around 90% of the stories are just either blown up, or totally made up.

And to Meyba. There are no posts of any kind on here, that say he is 100% innocent. He got mud on his hands & it's caught up, with him. That's what I believe, but it doesn't matter either way as nothing can be proved one way or another & like the police said, "It's not a case of prosecuting a dead man". Though it's made a hornet's nest for any other living or dead celebrities & politicians etc. And is spiralling out of control & turning into a modern day witch hunt, which could be more dangerous than anyone, has actually thought about. It's very delicate & proving allegations, with living people can be pretty much, as difficult as proving them with dead people. People get sent down for it & they may have not done anything & others may have done something & get away with it. Never can it be cut & dried.

Meyba wrote:
I'm a little puzzled why so many people on JK's boards seem to be defending Savile and implying that all of this media fuss is purely nonsense? Yes sure, some of these allegations are probably a little exaggerated with the gleam of compensation in people's eyes but surely you people can see that there was clearly something VERY unsavoury about Savile and in all likelihood illegal. You must see that!! Too many comments on here could be misconstrued as defending paedophilia. I'm well aware of JK's experiences with this matter and for the record I certainly believe there is a lot of truth in his version of events and clearly this is why this board is taking the angle it is but there is simply too much evidence and witnesses coming forward now to ignore the fact that Jimmy Savile should have been locked up many many years ago.

Please don't make people think you condone this sort of behaviour.
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I don't believe any allegation about Savile until proven.

When you have plonkers like the ex-Yorkshire Ripper plod claim they investigated Savile because "child rapists soon become killers" you realise how thick many cops are as well.

Savile was not accused (or suspected) then of 'child rape' ..the cop claims they knew he used prostitutes. Perhaps age has dimmed his thinking process.

But it's part of building up the narrative..like the total idiot who presented Cameron with a list on Morning TV.

The end result is a country can be led by the nose into a war in which tens of thousands are killed including children.

It's your duty to be skeptical at all times.

Meyba wrote:
I'm a little puzzled why so many people on JK's boards seem to be defending Savile and implying that all of this media fuss is purely nonsense? Yes sure, some of these allegations are probably a little exaggerated with the gleam of compensation in people's eyes but surely you people can see that there was clearly something VERY unsavoury about Savile and in all likelihood illegal

You said it yourself, Meyba ... "in all likelihood".

British law - which has stood us well for around 1000 years - doesn't require guilt "in all likelihood" .... it requires guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Surely, in the absence of any evidence at all (as far as I can see) there is more than a "reasonable doubt"?

What about motive? I'm not speaking of the motive Savile may have had - but of the motives of the alleged abused ... in keeping quiet for so many years / of joining the bandwagon (when someone else started it off) ?

Was this delay intentional? Forensic evidence (taken at the time) may have proved Savile's guilt ... but if no evidence existed it may also have proved the "guilt" of those making an unfounded allegation? Now, there's a motive !!!!!

What about the media? Do they have a motive? Salacious gossip does sell papers (unfortunately) and they need a never ending stream (did you notice how quickly that poor missing Welsh girl April disappeared from the papers as soon as Savile became "available"?) Now, there's yet another motive !!!!!

I, and many other on this board, have campaigned tirelessly for justice ... for the innocent in Iraq, in Abu Grahib, in Guantanamo, and currently for those in Syria.

It is Justice that we campaign for .... and convictions based on fact, proof and evidence - not rumours, hints, innuendo.

Hedda wrote:
The end result is a country can be led by the nose into a war in which tens of thousands are killed including children.

It's your duty to be skeptical at all times.

There hope for you yet, veritas !

Thank you all for your responses. I have to say you have explained your views very clearly in your replies and, not that my view is important, but you have certainly cleared up any doubts I had about agendas that may be present on the site.

I think the problem came from dropping in to the site (although being an admirer of JK for many years) but I had never read the boards in earnest and there was certainly, to the casual observer, a feeling that the board as a whole were viewing all the reports as lies and that Savile was wrongly 'condemned'.

The way you have addressed my comments in your very relevant responses as given me food for thought in the whole matter and although I have been suspicious of the media for many many years I will be viewing further allegations with a more rational open mind!

Thanks again...glad to hear your reasoned and balanced views...

Believe me, Meyba, there was a time when I believed the false allegations against myself. Until the "blue door" statement reared its head (see my autobiog) I was becoming afraid that I'd blocked the memories out of my head and was, indeed, a Vile Pervert.

We have all been taught to believe people when they say they were abused. I'm certain many believe it themselves. And, of course, some have been (not by me, I hasten to add).

Seems only a minority these days want to look at evidence from both sides to sum up themselves.

Seems also obvious that Savile, if he was alive facing these 'charges' would never have got a fair trial either.

steveimp wrote:
Seems also obvious that Savile, if he was alive facing these 'charges' would never have got a fair trial either.

He's not alone. Look at the Bristol landlord.Its all very well telling the jury to ignore what they have read, but the damage has already been done.

The police encourage it though ... initially it was to publicise cases which needed people to come forward to "prop them up a bit", and to get a bit of "corroboration".

He did visit a Brasso factory just outside Splott. I know because my father was foreman there from 1973 to 1984, when it closed after the unfortunate explosion. Jimmy joked around with several of us while he was there, playing cowboys and indians and horses and jockeys, and we all ended up throwing samples of Brasso at each other and laughing until our sides ached. In fact there was one lad, Daffyd Bellamy, who laughed so much he said most of his body ached, not just the sides, and he was absolutely covered in Brasso by the end of the day. My Dad said he should have been taken around the town and rubbed against door knobs - it would have saved everyone more than a few pennies in Brasso! It was all so much fun. But that visit by Jimmy hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the papers - probably because it doesn't fit the myth.

You think 199 people are lying? You don't think Savile's own comments, his work in hospitals is a bit peculiar?

Canberran! wrote:
You think 199 people are lying?

I havent seen ANY statement(s) by anybody - have you?
Would any of these claims stand the "test" of scrutiny by a trial?

Why wait all this time if it were true?
Only just heard about compo claims???? LOL !

You don't think Savile's own comments, his work in hospitals is a bit peculiar?

There are many people who I think are peculiar - it doesnt make tham rapists though.

What you've got to remember about Jimmy (if you followed him through the years) is that he liked to take the piss & wind up the press immensley. As he knew the press were very good at stretching the truth & putting words into peoples mouths.

I'd go so far as to think comments (like the As It Happens book) where he states how he took a runaway teenager home etc, were stated purely to get the attention of the press.

The unidentifiable interview (which could be false) where he says "All that Gary Glitter did was to take his Computer to PC World". Is just a statement (even if just an impression). And it's a true statement. All Gary Glitter did was to take his computer to PC World. The images that were on it...Well how did they get there, is more the question? He might of put them there, or he might have been set up, like the other 2 occasions, that he was by the News Of The World. The idea that Glitter is a dangerous sexual criminal, is hype at the extreme.

When you look at Mr Savile, well it's all one sided, considering he was known to slate & kick the Press, for years. Even if he may of over stepped the mark A bit, it's now been blown way out of proportion by the Media & a certain (not to clean himself) obsessed ex-detective & a Compensation pound sign seeing group of women (who apparently have skeletons in their own cupboards & have problems, remembering their age, let alone events of 35/40 years ago!)

Ivor Hyntte-Davies wrote:
He did visit a Brasso factory just outside Splott. I know because my father was foreman there from 1973 to 1984, when it closed after the unfortunate explosion. Jimmy joked around with several of us while he was there, playing cowboys and indians and horses and jockeys, and we all ended up throwing samples of Brasso at each other and laughing until our sides ached. In fact there was one lad, Daffyd Bellamy, who laughed so much he said most of his body ached, not just the sides, and he was absolutely covered in Brasso by the end of the day. My Dad said he should have been taken around the town and rubbed against door knobs - it would have saved everyone more than a few pennies in Brasso! It was all so much fun. But that visit by Jimmy hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the papers - probably because it doesn't fit the myth.

I'm gobsmacked. I was there! It was 1975. I was wearng a red and green tank top with "Leo" printed on it, for Leo Sayer. I even had a perm like his. Jimmy kept saying "Now then, now then, do you feel like dancing then young man?" He was very funny and friendly. We all got a Brasso "goody bag" at the end of the day, and a towel. I've got a picture of us somewhere. Jimmy did lots of good.