No surprises - whether it's been media inspired or based on fact, when there's nobody alive to deny the claims...

m.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jan/10/jimmy...e-inquiry-published\

JK2006 wrote:
No surprises - whether it's been media inspired or based on fact, when there's nobody alive to deny the claims...

m.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jan/10/jimmy...e-inquiry-published\

It seems to me like they've just taken all the accusations at face value and excepted them as fact. They don't need to look into the reality of them or likely hood that they happened cos he's dead - and there's no-one to argue his side.

How can they have done a proper investigation in 3 months? I'm disappointed with that...

This will just make the backlash even more delicious - proof (as if we needed any) of a reverse whitewash (blackwash?) and proof of The Metropolitan Police's incestuous relationship with the Tabloid Media... I don't know what the likes of TWT expected but if they think Anna Raccoon & her evidential statements to disappear it's not going to happen... and I imagine she'll be upping it a gear come tomorrow...

The hand-wringing softly-speaking Arch Manipulator will be joining his ITV colleagues on ITV any minute now

Unless the criminal confesses fully and the confession has been obtained legitimately then there will never be 100% certainty in respect of any crime.

In the case of Jimmy Savile the probability of guilty is not 100% but it must be very high (99.99% ????). With so much publicity there will be false accusations but these shouldn't be used to hide the fact that crimes have likely been committed.

Anyone who still believes that Jimmy Savile is innocent can hold on to that belief with the knowledge that in theory they might be right. They also could buy a Lotto card and start spending the millions that they might win.

"So far 589 people have come forward with information relating to the scandal, with a total of 450 complaints made against Savile himself.

John Cameron, head of child protection for the NSPCC, told The Guardian: "It is very clear that Savile assaulted very young children and that he was a prolific paedophile, there is no doubt about that.

"We want this to mark a cultural shift so that if a child speaks out about someone, we take what they are saying seriously and we act upon it always in future." "

so nearly 600 people kept silent for 40 years..despite every tabloid newspaper screaming pedo headlines every week and the NSPCC & Childline spending tens of millions of pounds on advertising...all these people kept quiet.

and that's 600 apart from the dead bodies in morgues, the disabled, the mad, the criminally insane, the ten year olds, the dying...everyone of them remained silent (we can forgive the dead for not speaking out as their bodies were fiddled with)...

it's insane, it's madness..the British public, the police, the media..have all gone stark raving mad.

As Goebels said...the Big Lie..repeat it over and over...

A thought just occurred to me - perhaps the Yewtree "Suspects" will be bailed/uncharged eternally - until they turn their aged heels up. And then the Met will issue a "report" that is in fact just a list of allegations and potential allegations as "Fact" and each body will be dumped in the North Sea instead of having a grave to spin in?

I don't think anybody would say "nothing went on" Blue Boy; but what people may be thinking is... that times have changed; that a grope and a laviscious comment can be remembered as worse thirty years later; that publicity (and specific details) can make memories inflate and colour; that there are motives for constructing or exaggerating events - cash, sympathy, attention; that the police treated the very few allegations correctly and felt they were unjustified; that it's odd such a high profile and wide spread anonymous hotline as Childline never got one single complaint during his lifetime; all these are perfectly understandable.

Then look at the power of the media; is it that incredible that hundreds of people who met a celebrity would feel something more happened during that encounter than actually did? Thousands really, truly believed a soap opera star was in prison when they were actually a fictional character.

Was Savile more than just a groper and a dirty old man? According to this report - yes he was; the evidence is there. All we are doing is questioning the depth and reality of the evidence.

What "evidence" though?

And what "investigation" completely ignores other important "evidence"? The accounts of Anna Raccon, for instance - intelligent, in-depth and detailed, or the *fact* - backed up by Jim'll Fix It footage no less - that TOTP had a strict policy of no U16's from at least late 1971. No, we are told JS was assaulting underage girls throughout TOTP - and even as an old man on the final show in 2006.

A report of an investigation that singularly fails to investigate has no place masquerading as a 'report'. Is it a list of posthumous allegations, and nothing more (other than deeply sinister)

Chris Retro wrote:
What "evidence" though?

And what "investigation" completely ignores other important "evidence"? The accounts of Anna Raccon, for instance - intelligent, in-depth and detailed, or the *fact* - backed up by Jim'll Fix It footage no less - that TOTP had a strict policy of no U16's from at least late 1971. No, we are told JS was assaulting underage girls throughout TOTP - and even as an old man on the final show in 2006.

A report of an investigation that singularly fails to investigate has no place masquerading as a 'report'. Is it a list of posthumous allegations, and nothing more (other than deeply sinister)


Exactly. I totally agree with you here.

So if I say Jimmy Savile groped me too and no-one bothers to check whether thats even possible or not, would that be 'evidence' too...?

what evidence JK?

I know as much as you and we know as much as the Met..fuck all.

They could not have possibly investigated every single one of these claims let alone the '39 rapes'.
It's clear they have simply recorded all the claims and that is a serious worry.

And the Guardian's 'cultural shift' is a load of bollox- as far as I can remember the News of The World, The Sun, Mail, Star, Express have salivated over sex tales & celebrities for at least 25 years.

This is extremely important as it's one of the most bizarre cases of mass hysteria that has inhabited the proles in the suburbs , the media, the police and politicians.

Savile is incidental to this tale..in decades historians will look back and say this was a major moment that indicates when Britain went off the rails.
This will be the identifying moment when intelligent people will say Britain collapsed into a cult of believing these weird things called newspapers.

They will cite Leveson and how a funny little attempt was made to impose some order on the Fairy Tale merchants known as 'tabloid journalists' but the media barons triumphed and democracy was lost.

It's the beginning of the end of civilisation.

Chris Retro wrote:
What "evidence" though?

And what "investigation" completely ignores other important "evidence"? The accounts of Anna Raccon, for instance - intelligent, in-depth and detailed, or the *fact* - backed up by Jim'll Fix It footage no less - that TOTP had a strict policy of no U16's from at least late 1971. No, we are told JS was assaulting underage girls throughout TOTP - and even as an old man on the final show in 2006.

A report of an investigation that singularly fails to investigate has no place masquerading as a 'report'. Is it a list of posthumous allegations, and nothing more (other than deeply sinister)
But he didn't do the final TOTPs as such. His bits were recorded before & added in, coz he was doing something else at the time.

We've got to remember there was never going to be a proper trial here. It was always going to be hearsay. And once again,they pick up that dozy piece that appeared on TOTPs in 1976, with the poke on the bum. We can imagine most cases were like that & therefore, thoroughly blown up, through the changing of time.

What we have to hope for here, is that the "others" are either too flimsy to go to court, or get chucked out for what they are.

The person that we have to worry about is Ray Teret. Already done time in 1999, which could go against him 14 years on.

As a 6th former studying Law, I think the case against Jimmy Savile is unsafe and threatens to undermine the whole British justice system.

As a member of the human race I have to wonder what the heck is going on.

People listen to James Whale on LBC radio regarding the Savile saga.

"Mad Dogs & Englishmen - No Sense Please We're Brits".

Blue Boy,

Are you crazy ? Obviously, you feel safe to make such a statement on this site. Your overly liberal views on the 'doubts' here are worrying to say the least. Continue your study of law and represent paedos, you'll obviously make a fortune.

anan wrote:
Blue Boy,

Are you crazy ? Obviously, you feel safe to make such a statement on this site. Your overly liberal views on the 'doubts' here are worrying to say the least. Continue your study of law and represent paedos, you'll obviously make a fortune.

Not Crazy but very confused by your comments and why you think I'd be suited to represent paedos

Blue Boy wrote:
Unless the criminal confesses fully and the confession has been obtained legitimately then there will never be 100% certainty in respect of any crime.

In the case of Jimmy Savile the probability of guilty is not 100% but it must be very high (99.99% ????). With so much publicity there will be false accusations but these shouldn't be used to hide the fact that crimes have likely been committed.

Anyone who still believes that Jimmy Savile is innocent can hold on to that belief with the knowledge that in theory they might be right. They also could buy a Lotto card and start spending the millions that they might win.

Did you read JK's book,especially the part that most allegations that past the CPS/police scrutiny were thrown out at his trials? These allegations have been put under no scrutiny whatsoever.

The one thing we do know is that lawyers for the 'victims' are trying to trace and freeze charity money left in his will for good causes! Say no more!!

This is truely sinister.

I read a report this morning - cant find it now, think it may have been "written over" as the story progressed - that said (of the 2009 complainants) that the CPS did not proceed because none of the complainants were prepared to stand up in Court. They did not think they would be believed.

The report went on to say that the CPS would - these days - "encourage" these people to come forward by letting them know that theirs was not the only complaint.

This is truely dangerous.

Each and every accusation SHOULD stand or fall on its own merit - not on the "propping up" of similar (uncorroborated) stories and to suggest that the police (who need no encouragement here) should push witnesses into making complaints because they may be backed-up by others is simply manufacturing a case where no case exists.

Concerned wrote:

Did you read JK's book,especially the part that most allegations that past the CPS/police scrutiny were thrown out at his trials? These allegations have been put under no scrutiny whatsoever.

The one thing we do know is that lawyers for the 'victims' are trying to trace and freeze charity money left in his will for good causes! Say no more!!


If Jimmy Savile is guilty it will be because of the facts about him and nothing to do with JK's case.

If the victims of any crime (or their lawyers) seek compensation it doesn't make the criminal any the less guilty.