" Although the details of the settlement are unknown, the lawsuit sought $20 million for each of the twelve plaintiffs. The plaintiffs claim that
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
of the sexual abuse."

jonathanturley.org/2012/12/29/poly-prep-...-scandal/#more-58658

Not In De Nile wrote:
" Although the details of the settlement are unknown, the lawsuit sought $20 million for each of the twelve plaintiffs. The plaintiffs claim that
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
of the sexual abuse."

jonathanturley.org/2012/12/29/poly-prep-...-scandal/#more-58658

How could they possibly tell? Unless every problem is always the result of abuse.
The assumption is insulting to the vast majority of victims who overcome a horrific experience and go on to lead normal and well adjusted lives.

I was an altar boy for several years.
I was never once seduced by any priest.

This has left me with severe psychological problems and a feeling of rejection.

Where do I get my cash?

In The Know wrote:
I was an altar boy for several years.
I was never once seduced by any priest.

This has left me with severe psychological problems and a feeling of rejection.

Where do I get my cash?

now the truth comes out...not even the most deviant priest would have a bar of the priggish little snob known as ITK !

I've suffered all these :
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
...just from my normal sex life.

hedda wrote:
In The Know wrote:
I was an altar boy for several years.
I was never once seduced by any priest.

This has left me with severe psychological problems and a feeling of rejection.

Where do I get my cash?

now the truth comes out...not even the most deviant priest would have a bar of the priggish little snob known as ITK !

I've suffered all these :
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
...just from my normal sex life.
No. I am sure Jimmy Savile is to blame. Perhaps you accidentally brushed past him on the tube? Would twenty thousand quid help you to remember?

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Not In De Nile wrote:
" Although the details of the settlement are unknown, the lawsuit sought $20 million for each of the twelve plaintiffs. The plaintiffs claim that
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
of the sexual abuse."

jonathanturley.org/2012/12/29/poly-prep-...-scandal/#more-58658

How could they possibly tell? Unless every problem is always the result of abuse.
The assumption is insulting to the vast majority of victims who overcome a horrific experience and go on to lead normal and well adjusted lives.


I'm sure one off incidents wouldn't cause all that, I think people who end up like that would probably have been abused over a sustained period and very much against their will... (i.e many of the Jimmy Savile accusations don't seem to have been against the persons will at the time - they just seem to be having regrets about the 'relationship' (whether real or invented) now.

I regret going out with my ex now too...

In The Know wrote:
I was an altar boy for several years.
I was never once seduced by any priest.

This has left me with severe psychological problems and a feeling of rejection.

Where do I get my cash?

hedda wrote:
I've suffered all these :
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
...just from my normal sex life.

You're doing it wrong !

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Not In De Nile wrote:
" Although the details of the settlement are unknown, the lawsuit sought $20 million for each of the twelve plaintiffs. The plaintiffs claim that
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
of the sexual abuse."

jonathanturley.org/2012/12/29/poly-prep-...-scandal/#more-58658

How could they possibly tell? Unless every problem is always the result of abuse.
The assumption is insulting to the vast majority of victims who overcome a horrific experience and go on to lead normal and well adjusted lives.


People can suffer those things for many reasons other than sexual abuse.

There are people who have never been sexually abused in their life who have those problems too. They can be for a wealth of reasons...

Anonymous wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Not In De Nile wrote:
" Although the details of the settlement are unknown, the lawsuit sought $20 million for each of the twelve plaintiffs. The plaintiffs claim that
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
of the sexual abuse."

jonathanturley.org/2012/12/29/poly-prep-...-scandal/#more-58658

How could they possibly tell? Unless every problem is always the result of abuse.
The assumption is insulting to the vast majority of victims who overcome a horrific experience and go on to lead normal and well adjusted lives.


People can suffer those things for many reasons other than sexual abuse.

There are people who have never been sexually abused in their life who have those problems too. They can be for a wealth of reasons...

Or for no reason at all, yet these conditions are used as evidence of abuse.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Not In De Nile wrote:
" Although the details of the settlement are unknown, the lawsuit sought $20 million for each of the twelve plaintiffs. The plaintiffs claim that
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
of the sexual abuse."

jonathanturley.org/2012/12/29/poly-prep-...-scandal/#more-58658

How could they possibly tell? Unless every problem is always the result of abuse.
The assumption is insulting to the vast majority of victims who overcome a horrific experience and go on to lead normal and well adjusted lives.


People can suffer those things for many reasons other than sexual abuse.

There are people who have never been sexually abused in their life who have those problems too. They can be for a wealth of reasons...

Or for no reason at all, yet these conditions are used as evidence of abuse.

I'd say there is usually something very negative that has gone on in someones life to cause "sever depression" and "crippling emotional difficulties" - but in many cases "sexual abuse" isn't the cause of them.

But i've met many an alcoholic and drug addict that are like that - simply because thats what they want to do and "emotional difficulties" and "severe depression", don't really come into it at all...

Anonymous wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Not In De Nile wrote:
" Although the details of the settlement are unknown, the lawsuit sought $20 million for each of the twelve plaintiffs. The plaintiffs claim that
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
of the sexual abuse."

jonathanturley.org/2012/12/29/poly-prep-...-scandal/#more-58658

How could they possibly tell? Unless every problem is always the result of abuse.
The assumption is insulting to the vast majority of victims who overcome a horrific experience and go on to lead normal and well adjusted lives.


People can suffer those things for many reasons other than sexual abuse.

There are people who have never been sexually abused in their life who have those problems too. They can be for a wealth of reasons...

Or for no reason at all, yet these conditions are used as evidence of abuse.

I'd say there is usually something very negative that has gone on in someones life to cause "sever depression" and "crippling emotional difficulties" - but in many cases "sexual abuse" isn't the cause of them.

But i've met many an alcoholic and drug addict that are like that - simply because thats what they want to do and "emotional difficulties" and "severe depression", don't really come into it at all...

There are mental illnesses which you can be genetically predisposed to acquiring,and it just "happens" or it can be triggered by an event (often trivial) that might have no effect on someone else.

Abuse very often has devastating consequences but i dont think it is always possible to pinpoint the event to blame, and to use mental difficulties as evidence that abuse has taken place is ridiculous.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
hedda wrote:
In The Know wrote:
I was an altar boy for several years.
I was never once seduced by any priest.

This has left me with severe psychological problems and a feeling of rejection.

Where do I get my cash?

now the truth comes out...not even the most deviant priest would have a bar of the priggish little snob known as ITK !

I've suffered all these :
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
...just from my normal sex life.
No. I am sure Jimmy Savile is to blame. Perhaps you accidentally brushed past him on the tube? Would twenty thousand quid help you to remember?

just one grand will bring back a flood of memories.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Not In De Nile wrote:
" Although the details of the settlement are unknown, the lawsuit sought $20 million for each of the twelve plaintiffs. The plaintiffs claim that
severe depression, drug and alcohol addiction, and crippling
emotional difficulties are the direct and proximate result
of the sexual abuse."

jonathanturley.org/2012/12/29/poly-prep-...-scandal/#more-58658

How could they possibly tell? Unless every problem is always the result of abuse.
The assumption is insulting to the vast majority of victims who overcome a horrific experience and go on to lead normal and well adjusted lives.


People can suffer those things for many reasons other than sexual abuse.

There are people who have never been sexually abused in their life who have those problems too. They can be for a wealth of reasons...

Or for no reason at all, yet these conditions are used as evidence of abuse.

I'd say there is usually something very negative that has gone on in someones life to cause "sever depression" and "crippling emotional difficulties" - but in many cases "sexual abuse" isn't the cause of them.

But i've met many an alcoholic and drug addict that are like that - simply because thats what they want to do and "emotional difficulties" and "severe depression", don't really come into it at all...

There are mental illnesses which you can be genetically predisposed to acquiring,and it just "happens" or it can be triggered by an event (often trivial) that might have no effect on someone else.

Abuse very often has devastating consequences but i dont think it is always possible to pinpoint the event to blame, and to use mental difficulties as evidence that abuse has taken place is ridiculous.


Yes, I suppose some people will be more predisposed to depression and emotional difficulties than others and I would take less for them to trigger it than for some others.

There can be a whole host of factors, which will not all be the same for each individual...