What I can't work out is the tiny (1% maximum? But very loud and a very good story) quantity who care enough to swear, say vicious things like "rot in hell", spew bile and hatred...

Is there a vat of venom inside some people that longs for an excuse to get out?

Who cares? She left power over 20 years ago and she's dead. What an extraordinary display of bitterness.

I've had a miniscule amount of it (bloggers instantly get their URLs blocked unread) but really, it says more about the demonstrators than about the departed old lady.

All I know is... the vast majority will hugely enjoy the Wednesday spectacle, will consider it well deserved and will go on with more important things like the dinner menu and what to watch on telly.

I concur.

And last night a protest celebration of her death smashed up a Barnardo's Charity Shop. Nice.

It annoyed me that the press portrayed the rioters as "left-wingers celebrating"
Thugs tend not to be politically aware.


I remember when Jade Goody (the Big Brother contestant who made a fortune) died there was a similar wave of nastiness with people wishing her to burn in hell.
It is astonishing.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
when Jade Goody died there was a similar wave of nastiness


Sugar.

To put the uneducated, thick, unachiever Goody in the same sentence as Margaret Thatcher is ludicrous.

I don't think it is 9... Honey's point is not about the object of nastinesss; it's about people spewing it.

Ben 9 wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
when Jade Goody died there was a similar wave of nastiness


Sugar.

To put the uneducated, thick, unachiever Goody in the same sentence as Margaret Thatcher is ludicrous.


Why? I dont approve of the nastiness wherever it is directed, but many people are justifying the celebrations because they were personally affected by Mrs Thatcher's policies.

Nobody can claim that Ms Goody had any impact on their lives yet the reaction was very similar (obviously on a much smaller scale)

I mention this to illustrate that dancing on graves has become increasingly common and is not reserved for those with influence.

To call Jade Goody a thick underachiever indicates that you have lapped up the tabloid tripe about her. She was neither.
Please stop calling me sugar!

well...that's her legacy for good or bad.
When endless commentators say she was "divisive" it is the truth.

I am personally surprised at the public hate demonstrations directed towards her personally but it's the end result of 30 years of Thatcherism if her death causes people to riot in the streets.

However I see the media's sticky hands all over the creation of a cult style aura surrounding her.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

I remember when Jade Goody (the Big Brother contestant who made a fortune) died there was a similar wave of nastiness with people wishing her to burn in hell.

No sugar. If you have to bring Goody into the Thatcher debate (similar to bringing Sooty into the Milton saga) - at least, get your facts right.

The Goody 'wave' was because of her infantile and racist comments to another competitor on Celebrity Big Brother - an articulate Indian lady.


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Ben 9 wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

I remember when Jade Goody (the Big Brother contestant who made a fortune) died there was a similar wave of nastiness with people wishing her to burn in hell.

No sugar. If you have to bring Goody into the Thatcher debate (similar to bringing Sooty into the Milton saga) - at least, get your facts right.

The Goody 'wave' was because of her infantile and racist comments to another competitor on Celebrity Big Brother - an articulate Indian lady.


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I won't hear a bad word said against my childhood idol Sooty.

Ben 9 wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

I remember when Jade Goody (the Big Brother contestant who made a fortune) died there was a similar wave of nastiness with people wishing her to burn in hell.

No sugar. If you have to bring Goody into the Thatcher debate (similar to bringing Sooty into the Milton saga) - at least, get your facts right.

The Goody 'wave' was because of her infantile and racist comments to another competitor on Celebrity Big Brother - an articulate Indian lady.


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Who almost poisoned them all with raw chicken because she had "followed the instructions so it must be cooked"
I would be cross too.
The row was about meat, shopping and stock cubes and Jade's uncouthness and Shilpa's high-handedness.

It sounds as if you think the nasty comments are justified because you believe she was infantile and racist.
She was certainly infantile at times. It seems to me particularly cruel to attack someone for this, because it is part of the person's make-up, and often indicates previous trauma, as was the case with Jade Goody.
Of course, she played up on her "baby" persona, and this is how she cleverly escaped the first eviction.

She did not make any of the racist comments reported in the press, unless you consider that substituting Shilpa's surname for "poppadom"is racist? It could well be, depending on the context, but if so it is mild and very common.
She did not tell her to "go back to the slums" as reported worldwide.

Several cast members hinted at racist comments, egged on by others and it was very nasty, but the only directly racist statements broadcast were made by (the great philosopher) Jermaine Jackson, who also said that you cant reason with the unreasonable and oh boy was he right!

hedda wrote:
Ben 9 wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:

I remember when Jade Goody (the Big Brother contestant who made a fortune) died there was a similar wave of nastiness with people wishing her to burn in hell.

No sugar. If you have to bring Goody into the Thatcher debate (similar to bringing Sooty into the Milton saga) - at least, get your facts right.

The Goody 'wave' was because of her infantile and racist comments to another competitor on Celebrity Big Brother - an articulate Indian lady.


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I won't hear a bad word said against my childhood idol Sooty.

I saw the original Sooty at Blackpool pride last summer in a little cabinet. I got over-excited and had my photograph taken with him.

Ironically, she absolutely HATED being called 'Maggie'.

I said some very unkind things about Goody right here if I remember. I don't take them back as I thought she was a product of media bollocks and epitomised the festering non talents and dullards that have taken over the air waves. I also believe her public demise was horrid and sick. However, I wouldn't have ever danced on the girl's grave.

Thatcher on the other hand had tremendous star quality, oozed class, and had great dignity right up until the last. The poll tax was dreadful and her undoing, and I hated her views on Mandela, but no-one is perfect, but there will never be another leader like her.

Politicians don't find anyone as interesting as other politicians, which is why they're all packed together today to honour one of them own. It's much like the music business, imagine. Meanwhile, the Daily Mail is blaming the BBC for some people hating Thatcher. The usual tosh from the nation's principal bile duct. And what does the Mail propose as a 'proper' way to honour this brutal ideologue? By ignoring her own wishes for her burial. Well done the Mail!

It's hilarious that all these MPs are standing up to snipe at focus groups, spin doctors etc, when you know they'll all rush back out to check how their speeches went down with the focus groups, spin doctors etc etc.

JK2006 wrote:
What I can't work out is the tiny (1% maximum? But very loud and a very good story) quantity who care enough to swear, say vicious things like "rot in hell", spew bile and hatred...

Even after 30-odd years these people are STILL going on about "she destroyed out community" !

If these people had any brain cells they would realise that THEY destroyed the community by backing a loony Union leader who could not even command total support from his own members.

They backed the wrong leader and suffered the consequences.

It shows how untalented these people are, if, after those 30 years they STILL havent found anything useful to do with their sad little lives.

Absolutely essential viewing for anyone affected by amnesia regarding the Thatcher years. Glenda Jackson was superb in parliament today.

Have we forgotten the years of people dying on trolleys in hospital corridors? People in other countries certainly haven't. In my last job, my French colleagues preferred to fly back to Paris for a Dr's appointment as the reputation of the NHS is still tainted there by the horror stories from the Thatcher era.

Anyway, have a listen to Glenda.

david wrote:
Absolutely essential viewing for anyone affected by amnesia regarding the Thatcher years. Glenda Jackson was superb in parliament today.

Have we forgotten the years of people dying on trolleys in hospital corridors? People in other countries certainly haven't. In my last job, my French colleagues preferred to fly back to Paris for a Dr's appointment as the reputation of the NHS is still tainted there by the horror stories from the Thatcher era.

Anyway, have a listen to Glenda.



It was tacky.
Some of what she said may have been true but it was not the time or place for it.
Why on earth did they let her ramble on? She should have been removed!

david wrote:
Absolutely essential for anyone affected by amnesia regarding the Thatcher years.

Britain's average inflation rate for the 1970s was 13%. (West Germany's was just 5%). Our unemployment rate was 4%. (Theirs was only 2%). Our major cities seemed shabby and seedy, our newspapers were full of strikes and walkouts, almost every week seemed to bring some new atrocity in Northern Ireland.

Over the course of the 1970s, two Prime Ministers, Edward Heath and James Callaghan, had been broken by the trade unions, while a third, Harold Wilson, descended into paranoia. Foreign papers talked of Britain as the Sick Man of Europe. Callaghan himself told his Labour colleagues: "If I were a young man, I would emigrate."

It is a myth that Thatcher single-handedly ended the era of full employment - in fact, unemployment had already hit 1.5 million under Callaghan.

The lame duck had suddenly become Britannia incarnate - military success had won her the time she needed. And by the time she left office, Britain was unquestionably a more open, dynamic, entrepreneurial and colourful society than it had been in the 1970s.

Taxes were lower, strikes were down, productivity growth was much improved and far from fleeing Britain, as they had once threatened to do, foreign investors were now queuing to get in - a trend symbolised above all by Nissan's groundbreaking investment in the North East of England.

all from - www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22076886