He was way out with his support for the dole scrounging Philpotts (and the like), and had to quickly "shift" his ground.

Now - hes not sure whether to back his loony friends - and risk alienating the voters further - or offer support for Mrs T.

Labour criticised all of Thatchers policies (when in opposition) but DID NOT reverse a single one when they got into power !!! (Both B-Liar and Brown idolised her).

... and the current loony Labour leadership will "talk the talk" supporting empty bedrooms, scroungers, Philpott families, those who claim disability (but dare not face a Dr to prove it!) etc ... BUT will be very glad that the Coalition has done their dirty work for them and will KEEP all their policies !

Don't agree at all ITK; I thought all three leaders gave terrific speeches.

In The Know wrote:
He was way out with his support for the dole scrounging Philpotts (and the like), and had to quickly "shift" his ground.

Now - hes not sure whether to back his loony friends - and risk alienating the voters further - or offer support for Mrs T.

Labour criticised all of Thatchers policies (when in opposition) but DID NOT reverse a single one when they got into power !!! (Both B-Liar and Brown idolised her).

... and the current loony Labour leadership will "talk the talk" supporting empty bedrooms, scroungers, Philpott families, those who claim disability (but dare not face a Dr to prove it!) etc ... BUT will be very glad that the Coalition has done their dirty work for them and will KEEP all their policies !


The Atos workers who "prove" that someone is unfit or fit for work are not doctors.

JK2006 wrote:
Don't agree at all ITK; I thought all three leaders gave terrific speeches.

... and there were rows and rows of empty seats as (pathetic) Labour MPs stayed away (to appease their Union paymasters).

In The Know wrote:
He was way out with his support for the dole scrounging Philpotts (and the like), and had to quickly "shift" his ground.

Now - hes not sure whether to back his loony friends - and risk alienating the voters further - or offer support for Mrs T.

Labour criticised all of Thatchers policies (when in opposition) but DID NOT reverse a single one when they got into power !!! (Both B-Liar and Brown idolised her).

... and the current loony Labour leadership will "talk the talk" supporting empty bedrooms, scroungers, Philpott families, those who claim disability (but dare not face a Dr to prove it!) etc ... BUT will be very glad that the Coalition has done their dirty work for them and will KEEP all their policies !

Seems Dave has created at least a few new jobs!

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-23061...care-themselves.html

Opposition = fine line between capitalsing on Govmnt errors with sound bites and retrospective opportunism and making your own proper policies that you risk being hung for if you ever get elected to implement..............

If Govmnt was easy, every manifesto point would be implimented and every previous Govmnt 'new' poicy recinded or replaced.........doesn't happen......not possible....politics by its nature is about Zeitgiest (don't like using that one, but its true) , opportunism, popularity and personal ambition and reflected image.............In fact if I think about it, Brown was just space filling after spitting dummy out about the 'promise' Blair didn't have proper conviction to change anything, John Major couldn't through small majority, Heath backed down against union pressure, Wilson was guided by unions, Callaghan just followed the crowd having inherited the job. Did I miss somebody out ? Oh yes, 1979-90 was you know who...........not sure muh of the above about her contempories applies (elected 3 times) (Brown and Callaghan never elected, even Major won an election!) carried out promises, wasn't swayed very much by 'zietgiest' (her downfall)

......Milliband doesn't seem 'popularly liked' , so i don'tsee his future.............thats how democracy works like the school yard...............

more loony talk from ITK who ignores that all social security benefits have been paid out by governments of all persuasions for the last 50 years.

even worse, he confers guilt upon all recipients because some crackpot killed his own family.

he may as well blame all drivers when there is an incident of road rage.

hedda wrote:
more loony talk from ITK who ignores that all social security benefits have been paid out by governments of all persuasions for the last 50 years.

even worse, he confers guilt upon all recipients because some crackpot killed his own family.

he may as well blame all drivers when there is an incident of road rage.

Agree Hedda,ITK only sees black & white,not the reality in between.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
The Atos workers who "prove" that someone is unfit or fit for work are not doctors.

That doesnt alter the fact that THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS have already dropped their claims - proving that they were fraudsters in the first place !

Mr Reason wrote:
......Milliband doesn't seem 'popularly liked' , so i don't see his future.............thats how democracy works

.... even B-Liar agrees with us, Mr Reason.

Tony Blair has delivered a stark warning that Labour's fierce resistance to austerity and welfare cuts could reduce it to a party of protest.

In an apparent dig at Ed Miliband, the former prime minister cautioned that the political centre ground did not shift to the Left after the credit crunch.

Mr Blair highlighted the danger of returning to the dividing lines of the 1980s, when Labour championed the "status quo" and languished in opposition to Margaret Thatcher's Tories.

But in a message to Mr Miliband, who has been criticised for not having enough solid policies, he declared that no-one could hope to govern unless they faced up to its reality.

news.sky.com/story/1076705/blair-labour-...coming-protest-party

Opposition for decades ???

In The Know wrote:

Opposition for decades ???



Perhaps not.........

This morning's YouGov poll for The Sun says:-

Con 28% Lab 42% LD 12%

Other recent polls have recorded similar figures.


Not really surprising when two thirds (18) of the cabinet are millionaires - many 'multi' - with little (or any!) first hand experience of the financial difficulties now being encountered by the average worker, pensioner etc.

Few other countries have such a bias where power is self-evidently for the rich. This cannot be good thing - and is manifestly unsustainable bearing in mind the increasingly diverse, and poorer, electorate.

You should read the original and not just selected (by the Murdoch press) quotes.

Evan B-Liar tells the truth (sometimes):

"The Conser­vative Party is back clothing itself in the mantle of fiscal responsibility, buttressed by moves against “benefit scroungers”, immigrants squeezing out British workers and - of course - Labour profligacy
(...)
Labour should be very robust in knocking down the notion that it “created” the crisis. In 2007/2008 the cyclically adjusted current Budget balance was under 1 per cent of GDP. Public debt was significantly below 1997. Over the whole 13 years, the debt-to-GDP ratio was better than the Conservative record from 1979-97. Of course there is a case for saying a tightening around 2005 would have been more prudent. But the effect of this pales into insignificance compared to the financial tsunami that occurred globally, starting with the sub-prime mortgage debacle in the US."

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/la...sitory-peoples-anger

Ben 9 wrote:
In The Know wrote:

Opposition for decades ???



Perhaps not.........

This morning's YouGov poll for The Sun says:-

Con 28% Lab 42% LD 12%

Other recent polls have recorded similar figures.


Not really surprising when two thirds (18) of the cabinet are millionaires - many 'multi' - with little (or any!) first hand experience of the financial difficulties now being encountered by the average worker, pensioner etc.

Few other countries have such a bias where power is self-evidently for the rich. This cannot be good thing - and is manifestly unsustainable bearing in mind the increasingly diverse, and poorer, electorate.






Ah Ben,ITK doesn't like opinion polls

Ed Miliband will be the next PM.

get used to it.

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
The Atos workers who "prove" that someone is unfit or fit for work are not doctors.

That doesnt alter the fact that THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS have already dropped their claims - proving that they were fraudsters in the first place !

There are bound to be lots of fraudulent claimants who have signed off and hooray for that, but apparently the figures also cover those with injuries or mental health issues who got better.
I can understand how others might not want to be poked around by a bus conductor.

One of the "false claimants"

tompride.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/atos-t...satire-please-share/

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
The Atos workers who "prove" that someone is unfit or fit for work are not doctors.

That doesnt alter the fact that THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS have already dropped their claims - proving that they were fraudsters in the first place !

There are bound to be lots of fraudulent claimants who have signed off and hooray for that, but apparently the figures also cover those with injuries or mental health issues who got better.
I can understand how others might not want to be poked around by a bus conductor.

have you seen what compo is available?

quite shocking...awful physical injuries..loss of leg or eye recieves minimal money...sex abuse is the jackpot

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
One of the "false claimants"

tompride.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/atos-t...satire-please-share/

love the piece about ITK and Hedda's Great Uncle Dick Plantagenet being declared fit for work after lying about a car park for centuries

hedda wrote:
Ed Miliband will be the next PM.

get used to it.

Mr B-Liar hopes not - and is doing ALL he can to see that he isnt !

Have you seen the massive public support for benefit cuts, Hedda ?

Silliband may not even by loony leader at the next election.

DJones wrote:
Labour should be very robust in knocking down the notion that it “created” the crisis.

Of course they WOULD want to deny all liability, wouldn't they?

Remind me
... who WAS in charge of fiscal planning for over a decade before the crash?

... who WAS responsible for egulating the bankers (for over a decade) before the crash?