I got a letter saying from next week I have to £6 month council tax and I need to pay £154 council tax for a property I lived at 4 years ago. They have already lowered my housing benefit and found it hard to survive as it is.

We all know we better off in work but there is not much going.

finding a job today...a complex and difficult task.

Shameless is a blueprint on how to survive these days as exampled (and claimed by Hedda ages ago)by corporate thugs like Google who avoid their share of tax whilst the average Joe is belted time and time again. VAT etc.

andrew wrote:
I got a letter saying from next week I have to £6 month council tax and I need to pay £154 council tax for a property I lived at 4 years ago. They have already lowered my housing benefit and found it hard to survive as it is.

We all know we better off in work but there is not much going.

You will need to make an offer (in writing) to pay the £154 slowly. Even a pound a week will probably be accepted, but they keep adding on charges if you are not quick. (which makes it even less likely you can pay)
I hope you manage to find something soon.

Thanks Hedda and Sugar they can't or won't let Google, Amazon, Starbucks and mobile networks pay tax but pick the people who are on the breadline. I bet ITK is loving every minute of it.

hedda wrote:
corporate thugs like Google who avoid their share of tax

There is nothing wrong/illegal about tax avoidance.

Companies and corporations have been doing it for centuries; tax avoidance/reduction is the main reason why businesses incorporate in the first place. Put simply, companies pay less tax than individuals.

And its why subsidiaries have different accounting years, countries of incorporation and why accounting conglomerates (KPMG etc.) make such a good living.

On a lower level, individuals (like me) simply seek to increase net income, within the laws of the areas where we has assets and/or receive an income.

In the UK, the most common way for individuals to avoid tax completely is to improve/extend/enhance/maintain one's domestic residence (to increase its value) - as no capital gains tax (CGT), or any other, is paid on sale.

Maybe CGT should be applied to homes - and companies should not be allowed to incorporate for tax purposes. Easily done, but requiring legislation - which no goverment with a future could contemplate.

The nice people (who are many) at King Of Hits, will club together to pay it for you. Shall we say £20 from all of us? Sounds reasonable.

Never fear Andrew. I'll send my cheque to you right now. Just let me know your email address & home addres & it will be sorted. Alternatively we'll send them to JK, to pass on to you. If you want to remain anon.

bh wrote:
The nice people (who are many) at King Of Hits, will club together to pay it for you. Shall we say £20 from all of us? Sounds reasonable.

Never fear Andrew. I'll send my cheque to you right now. Just let me know your email address & home addres & it will be sorted. Alternatively we'll send them to JK, to pass on to you. If you want to remain anon.

I think that is a lovely idea, if Mr King agrees.

Sounds awesome to me I didn't know I was well liked ?

Sadly we're not a money raising site! Andrew is a loyal and long time contributor to these forums and I like to think we contributed to his own knowledge of music in the early days but no, you'll have to find other ways of raising cash I fear.

andrew wrote:
Thanks Hedda and Sugar they can't or won't let Google, Amazon, Starbucks and mobile networks pay tax but pick the people who are on the breadline. I bet ITK is loving every minute of it.

My dear distant (thank God) cousin ITK thinks that Starbucks etc are creating jobs and thus should be allowed to continue their unpatriotic practices.

There is good sense in job creation by the Starbucks of the world but it must be balanced : they promote the fantasy that if they were not there then the jobs would not exist. This is a falsehood.

Every time I visit my old haunt Portobello Road where I lived for over 20 years I become quite depressed with the ghastly yuppisastion of Notting Hill. Gone are all the old cafes and cheap shops replaced by sterile fashionable outlets that you can find from Melbourne to LA to London.

No new jobs..just replacing the old jobs. And when they don't pay tax like Google etc we are subsidizing the workers via buses, Underground etc etc blah blah.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
bh wrote:
The nice people (who are many) at King Of Hits, will club together to pay it for you. Shall we say £20 from all of us? Sounds reasonable.

Never fear Andrew. I'll send my cheque to you right now. Just let me know your email address & home addres & it will be sorted. Alternatively we'll send them to JK, to pass on to you. If you want to remain anon.

I think that is a lovely idea, if Mr King agrees.

I like to thank the Sugar and Hedda for the nice gesture people have said communism doesn't work you two just proved it does.

hedda wrote:
My dear distant (thank God) cousin ITK thinks that Starbucks etc are creating jobs and thus should be allowed to continue their unpatriotic practices.

There is good sense in job creation by the Starbucks of the world but it must be balanced : they promote the fantasy that if they were not there then the jobs would not exist. This is a falsehood.

Not it isn't ... stop being silly !

Multi-nationals will keep a business going even when its losing money (they can afford to) - or keep it open while it builds trade etc.

These firms are creating jobs ... you really want them to go elsewhere don't you?

When you drive them away - or price yourself out of a job (anyone remember coal miners LOL ?) - the jobs NEVER come back !

andrew wrote:
I bet ITK is loving every minute of it.

I see the cash still covers the cost of the internet though, andrew ?

andrew wrote:
I got a letter saying from next week I have to £6 month council tax and I need to pay £154 council tax for a property I lived at 4 years ago.

Someone has to pay off loony Labour's debt, andrew ... and if its those who voted loony Labour it makes me very happy indeed !

In The Know wrote:

Someone has to pay off loony Labour's debt

Well the Tories aren't helping!

Net debt (the UK budget deficit plus borrowing) has increased - as a percentage of GDP - by over 50%, since Labour left Goverment.

That is the sad and salient fact.




But ITK, you rarely are able to quote figures - accurate ones. And just give bland generalisations with no evidence or facts; this just makes your points meaningless.

How do you expect me to look for work, do online applications, send my CV to companies without the net you muppet ?

andrew wrote:
How do you expect me to look for work, do online applications, send my CV to companies without the net you muppet ?

The library?....and if ITK says jump....

In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
My dear distant (thank God) cousin ITK thinks that Starbucks etc are creating jobs and thus should be allowed to continue their unpatriotic practices.

There is good sense in job creation by the Starbucks of the world but it must be balanced : they promote the fantasy that if they were not there then the jobs would not exist. This is a falsehood.

Not it isn't ... stop being silly !

Multi-nationals will keep a business going even when its losing money (they can afford to) - or keep it open while it builds trade etc.

These firms are creating jobs ... you really want them to go elsewhere don't you?

When you drive them away - or price yourself out of a job (anyone remember coal miners LOL ?) - the jobs NEVER come back !

total bollox.

as exampled by Vodafone and Starbucks who screech they will piss off if they are forced to pay the correct tax and ease the burden on salaried workers who subsidise them.

Vodafone operates throughout Asia and China where every single person has a mobile phone and none have landlines. In Thailand for instance there are more mobile phones than several European countries including Germany & the UK combined...yet Vodafone makes far huger profits in the UK than the whole of their Asian profits.

So they won't be going anywhere.

Just as the rapacious mining companies in Australia threatened to go elsewhere if forced to pay more tax...(like yeh, the rest of the world has a million tons of uranium underground)..the pathetic polticians should have told them to fuck right off and then opened tenders to any other corporation that wanted to make a profit, albeit less than the others.

they would be lining up and battering down the doors.

you are a hopeless economist...you aren't even a good capitalist : the first rule in capitalism is : if there is a gap it will be filled.

you should be on a local town council as a Tory with the swiveling eyed loons where you can't do damage and leave the rel game to those who understand !!!

hedda wrote:
if they are forced to pay the correct tax

The 'correct tax' is that determined by the relevant country.

Who else?

If individual tax laws are vague, is it not natural for corporations and individuals to legally reduce their tax payments?

Solihull Exile wrote:
andrew wrote:
How do you expect me to look for work, do online applications, send my CV to companies without the net you muppet ?

The library?....and if ITK says jump....

Good if you want to see private data on public computer one time I could of a ruined some bloke as he was still logged in his Llyods account. And it takes approx 20 a week do a sufficient job search to reach Jobcentre standards as there is the risk of been sanctioned happen to me.