held in police cells and prisons - when I was inside I discovered this ghastly, and generally unknown, situation, so good to see a strong report about it. Ever since they closed "lunatic asylums", our society has failed to produce alternative care places. Civilisation is really falling apart.

my uncle has been a mental health nurse for 30 years. He always said the government cannot care less they thrown to pillar to post all the time, the Government are always making more cuts to this field and making hospitals hire less staff when they need more.

Absolutely and why won't they listen to the nurses and prison officers who work on the front line? They NEVER ask those who know.

andrew wrote:
my uncle has been a mental health nurse for 30 years. He always said the government cannot care less they thrown to pillar to post all the time, the Government are always making more cuts to this field and making hospitals hire less staff when they need more.

Easiest thing in the world to criticise .... where will the extra money come from (given that you criticise every attempt to save money elsewhere) ?

It doesn't grow on trees !

Easy ITK why not the leave the EU stop giving world aid, don't give money to immigrants ?

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
my uncle has been a mental health nurse for 30 years. He always said the government cannot care less they thrown to pillar to post all the time, the Government are always making more cuts to this field and making hospitals hire less staff when they need more.

Easiest thing in the world to criticise .... where will the extra money come from (given that you criticise every attempt to save money elsewhere) ?

It doesn't grow on trees !

I think in the case of hospitals (and schools) money is already being splashed around as if it grows on trees on quite unnecessary things.
Buildings dont need replacing every few years just because they get a bit shabby. It doesn't matter as long as they do the job, and nor do we really need the fancy gardens in a lot of the hospitals and it is plain daft to pay enormous "contract" prices for medicines and equipment when they sell to the public cheaper.
If hospitals were run efficiently there would be no need for ever increasing administration costs that eat into the budget.
We might not be able to put more money into the NHS but we can make what we have go further, I'm sure.

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
my uncle has been a mental health nurse for 30 years. He always said the government cannot care less they thrown to pillar to post all the time, the Government are always making more cuts to this field and making hospitals hire less staff when they need more.

Easiest thing in the world to criticise .... where will the extra money come from (given that you criticise every attempt to save money elsewhere) ?

It doesn't grow on trees !

don't be so hard you Tory.

They copied this policy in Oz as they always do...politicians never having an original idea.."care in the community" but it was another sell-off to property developers of prime real estate and lovely old buildings (Broadmoor !)

the result as studies show...false economy (but typical Tory economics) as it costs far with policing and increased crime.....but ITK would sell off Buck House as a 5 star hotel... Windsor Castle as a backpackers and Kensington Palace make a good IKEA

andrew wrote:
Easy ITK why not the leave the EU stop giving world aid, don't give money to immigrants ?

The "money to immigrants" is usually a myth (largely spread by dolers who want more for themselves).

If we left the EU we would lose out biggest customer - and millions of jobs.

I'm proud that we are not selfish enough to deny "scraps" of cash (because, in the overall scheme - that's all it is) to help those less able to help themselves.

hedda wrote:
dont be so hard you Tory

Yet again I note that you haven't got a clue WHERE the money will come from !

Just simple loony "spend, spend, spend" economics.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
If hospitals were run efficiently there would be no need for ever increasing administration costs that eat into the budget.
We might not be able to put more money into the NHS but we can make what we have go further, I'm sure.

How much is "wasted" by dolers and druggies and their self-inflicted "illnesses" ?

Perhaps we should stop spending there FIRST and see how much we save ?

I note that even Silliband now admits that those who have actually paid-in to the system should get higher benefits.

What about taking it a stage further with healthcare ... ie those who have paid nothing in, get nothing out ?

I wonder how quickly that would solve the problem?

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
Easy ITK why not the leave the EU stop giving world aid, don't give money to immigrants ?

The "money to immigrants" is usually a myth (largely spread by dolers who want more for themselves).

If we left the EU we would lose out biggest customer - and millions of jobs.

I'm proud that we are not selfish enough to deny "scraps" of cash (because, in the overall scheme - that's all it is) to help those less able to help themselves.

ITK you know shit about dolers.

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
If hospitals were run efficiently there would be no need for ever increasing administration costs that eat into the budget.
We might not be able to put more money into the NHS but we can make what we have go further, I'm sure.

How much is "wasted" by dolers and druggies and their self-inflicted "illnesses" ?

Perhaps we should stop spending there FIRST and see how much we save ?

I note that even Silliband now admits that those who have actually paid-in to the system should get higher benefits.

What about taking it a stage further with healthcare ... ie those who have paid nothing in, get nothing out ?

I wonder how quickly that would solve the problem?

Yes, i am sure that if we could solve the problems of drug use and unemployment it would greatly reduce the burden on the NHS, because poverty creates health problems.

I dont like the idea of the NHS not being free to everyone. There are already many people unable to afford prescribed medicine, and others denied treatment that is available in other areas.


I was in accident and emergency a couple of weeks ago and I noticed that most were there because of football injuries, drug incidents,people who couldn't get a doctors appointment, parents who couldn't tell common childhood illnesses from serious ones, and there were two handcuffed prisoners.
Everything was filthy and I saw a nurse pick up a bloody tissue from a coughing man and then touched the bin lid, her uniform, pen, and the curtains.
She was aggressive when I asked her to wash her hands. (even then she just flicked them under the tap)

In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
dont be so hard you Tory

Yet again I note that you haven't got a clue WHERE the money will come from !

Just simple loony "spend, spend, spend" economics.

taxation..where it all comes from.

Fascist control nuttas still run the nuthouse - and that's just the outside world!



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Flew_Over_the_Cuckoo%27s_Nest_(film)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Kesey

Rather concerned about some of the "cleaners" employed to work in hospitals. Most can not speak english & their "cleaning" is not up to much. Where did MRSA come from? Was it foreigners, not doing their cleaning properly, or did they bring it to Britain, whn they came here? Mind boggles.

A hospital in Bekshire. A woman (visitor) went to the loo on a Friday at 7pm. She was locked into the toilet by mistake (as the toilets are locked in that part of the building, for the weekend). She actually spent the whole weekend in the loo, as no one could here her screams.

My mother was in their shortly before. There was a blood stain on the stairs...And it was still there, a week later! Amazing.

just spent most of the weekend ferrying a friend back and forth to a superb and beautifully clean socialist hospital here in Sydney...no waiting, sparkling clean, latest equipment...just wave your medicare card and the doors swing open...cost not a penny (although it's paid for by taxes)

most doctors and nurses seemed to be English..must have fled the NHS! (and ITK )

bh wrote:
Rather concerned about some of the "cleaners" employed to work in hospitals. Most can not speak english & their "cleaning" is not up to much.

... and there are 2.5 million who CLAIM they cant get a job LOL !!!!!

andrew wrote:
In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
Easy ITK why not the leave the EU stop giving world aid, don't give money to immigrants ?

The "money to immigrants" is usually a myth (largely spread by dolers who want more for themselves).

If we left the EU we would lose out biggest customer - and millions of jobs.

I'm proud that we are not selfish enough to deny "scraps" of cash (because, in the overall scheme - that's all it is) to help those less able to help themselves.

ITK you know shit.

Toilet humour

In The Know wrote:
bh wrote:
Rather concerned about some of the "cleaners" employed to work in hospitals. Most can not speak english & their "cleaning" is not up to much.

... and there are 2.5 million who CLAIM they cant get a job LOL !!!!!

It's more that 2.5 million ITK what about people on the street, sofa surfing, people who been sanctioned these people don't add the figures ?

andrew wrote:
ITK you know shit about dolers.

I know we'd ALL be better off without them !