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TOPIC: Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years
#98971
robbiex

Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years

Why is the sentence so long for this when nothing was done against anyones wishes? The girl had a relationship with Forest of her own accord (although she was legally a few months too young to consent to sex).

I thought prison was there to protect society from people. This man is no danger to anyone. He seemed like a mild mannered man with whom a 15 year old girl had a crush on, and he stupidly succumbed. Most of his colleagues spoke highly of him, although this seemed to fall on death ears.

The prosecuter uses the term pedophile to describe him. He obviously doesn't know the meaning of the word, which is someone who is attracted to pre-pubescent persons (the girl was 15, well past puberty).

This is simply a reaction to all the pedohysteria that we see in the tabloid press.
 
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#98972
Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
Looking at his twatter feed it seems Tosspot doesnt know the meaning of the word either!!
 
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Pattaya

Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
Just shows how stupid the British legal system has become.
 
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#98974
hedda

Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
how lucky then was my Scot's grandfather who got hid 15 yr old girlfriend pregnant .
 
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#98981
Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
robbiex wrote:
Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years

Why is the sentence so long for this when nothing was done against anyones wishes? The girl had a relationship with Forest of her own accord (although she was legally a few months too young to consent to sex).

I thought prison was there to protect society from people. This man is no danger to anyone. He seemed like a mild mannered man with whom a 15 year old girl had a crush on, and he stupidly succumbed. Most of his colleagues spoke highly of him, although this seemed to fall on death ears.

The prosecuter uses the term pedophile to describe him. He obviously doesn't know the meaning of the word, which is someone who is attracted to pre-pubescent persons (the girl was 15, well past puberty).

This is simply a reaction to all the pedohysteria that we see in the tabloid press.


I think he is a possible danger to young girls he works with and it is right that he should be barred from working with them.
What he did was wrong, but five and a half years is much too severe when those who actually attack children get less.
I dont know if the girl would have been permanently damaged by the affair or not, but i am pretty sure that having her private life perused in court and splashed over the papers will have a lasting effect.
 
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#98982
Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
I have rather mixed feelings about this; I do think that taking advantage of situations and people can be wrong and that the teacher/pupil relationship needs very careful control and self discipline. But each individual is different and so are circumstances.

Again the problem is - simplistic solutions to complex questions never work and often cause more damage than the act itself.

Of course, the media - again - relish such prurience and are governed by one simple rule - is it a good story?

Even Dacre knows and would agree - the harm he has done to dozens of people by printing and covering the case is far greater than that done by the incident itself.

But he can and does justify it by thinking - it was a great story.

Appealing to our basest instincts, but don't we all love a good sex scandal, preferably involving under age girls (and, ideally, celebrities)?
 
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Chris Retro

Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
Do we need any further evidence of the real agenda here?
 
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Jim

Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
Notice the slightly different tone of this one.

An 11-year-old boy fathered a child after sex with a school friend's 36-year-old mother.

Both the father and child are now understood to be in care after the principal at the boy's school raised the alarm.

The case has caused counsellors working in the area of child sexual abuse to highlight the lack of attention given to women as potential offenders.

It has prompted Justice Minister Judith Collins to step in saying she will seek more information on the law. "This case raises an important point. I will seek advice from officials on whether or not a law change is required."

And it has also highlighted disparity in the law of rape, which makes it impossible for a woman to be accused of the crime.

Present legislation stipulates the crime of rape applies only when men force sex. In contrast, women who force an unwilling partner to have sex face charges of sexual violation. Both carry a maximum sentence of 20 years but only men can be charged with rape.

The Weekend Herald has chosen not to name the South Auckland school to protect the privacy of the children - the baby and the father.

Child Youth and Family confirmed it was dealing with a case at the school and that it was before the courts. It refused to make further comment, as did police.

The principal said he was shocked when the child revealed the details.

The boy approached him in his office about two-thirds of the way through the 2012 school year and told the principal he had a disclosure to make.

"You won't be very happy with me," he recalled the boy saying. He said he had been having sex with his friend's mother "and it needs to stop".

The principal said the boy was "very aware" of the situation he was in and determined he wanted the contact to end.

The Weekend Herald was told that the contact between the boy and the woman began about April last year, when the boy was aged 11. The woman's son took a day off school and encouraged his friend to do likewise, spending the day at his home.

During the course of the day, the woman gave the boy beer to drink and then later took part in a sexual encounter with him.

The sexual contact continued for a number of months after the initial encounter, the Weekend Herald was told. The boy had turned 12 by the time the child was born. CYF took a baby into care about two months ago.

The principal confirmed the details. "We got CYF involved the minute we found out about it."

Emails exchanged with a Child Youth and Family social worker, since retired, confirm the agency was involved. The CYF worker said police would be investigating - but also said the woman denied the sexual contact.

Male Survivors of Sexual Abuse manager Ken Clearwater said if the case were proved, the woman should be held accountable for her actions. Making charges able to be brought dependent on the gender of the offender was wrong and the law should be changed. "It is a huge issue for us."

He said male victims of sex abuse carried out by women were equally as damaged as any other victim of rape.

"As a male you're supposed to enjoy it but we don't say that about young girls. Males are not seen as victims. The psychological damage is huge - and they carry extra shale because it's a woman and you're supposed to enjoy it."

Mr Clearwater said most abuse of the sort in this case was not reported. He said the way the boy disclosed to the principal underscored the way in which the abuse was perceived. By saying "you won't be very happy with me", Mr Clearwater said the boy appeared to believe he was the one who had acted wrongly.

Mr Clearwater said the psychological impact would expose the boy to added risk of alcohol and drug abuse, relationship problems, anger and other mental health issues.

The executive director of Rape Prevention Education, Dr Kim McGregor, said male survivors of sexual offending by women often felt the abuse they suffered was minimised by society. "Just because sexual violence has been perpetrated by a female doesn't make it any less violent."

Manukau-based family lawyer Jeremy Sutton said under the law the boy would not have rights to the child unless he was present at the birth. He said he would have to make a case for access. He also said there were exemptions from child support for victims of sexual offending.

Liggins Institute director Professor Wayne Cutfield, an expert in the development of children, said boys became fertile about halfway through puberty, which could begin as early as age nine. "The onset of puberty is a lot younger than people think."

Statistics New Zealand does not hold data on the ages of fatherhood, only of motherhood.

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c...mp;objectid=10890674
 
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Ben 8

Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
Pattaya wrote:
Just shows how stupid the British legal system has become.

No it doesn't. Someone 'in loco parentis' will always (and quiet rightly) be judged more harshly under English law.
 
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True

Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
Ben 8 wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
Just shows how stupid the British legal system has become.

No it doesn't. Someone 'in loco parentis' will always (and quiet rightly) be judged more harshly under English law.


There you go again Ben,silly boy
 
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Ben 9

Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
You disagree true?

Think that 'in loco parentis' has no basis/place in law?



 
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#99051
Re:Jeremy Forest get 5.5 years 12 Years ago  
True wrote:
Ben 8 wrote:
Pattaya wrote:
Just shows how stupid the British legal system has become.

No it doesn't. Someone 'in loco parentis' will always (and quiet rightly) be judged more harshly under English law.


There you go again Ben,silly boy


I dont think he is (in this particular case ) I cant see how anyone thinks it is ok for schoolchildren to be copping off with teachers!
We have many "taboo" relationships in society,and they are usually there to preserve trust or prevent exploitation.
 
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