...... ie those who usually never get off their backsides !

Just shows what you CAN achieve if you DO get off your backside (and stop whining and moaning about others !) -

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/414536/Legacy-...-world-s-richest-man

He reaped great benefits ... for himself, his family, his country and his community.

charming :

"He was a hard-hearted landlord, notorious for racking up rents and foreclosing on mortgages. He ended his days in splendour, attended by a butler and many servants, apparently having forgotten what it was to be poor."

hedda wrote:
charming :

"He was a hard-hearted landlord, notorious for racking up rents and foreclosing on mortgages. He ended his days in splendour, attended by a butler and many servants, apparently having forgotten what it was to be poor."

A bit like that Tory MP, Peter Bone, who boasted about paying one of his staff pennies an hour.

I have no problem with Capitalism ITK, what I have a problem with is Private Walker style spivery on a bigger scale.

Among Tory MPs who back Chope's bill is Peter Bone, who has strongly opposed the minimum wage. In 1995 the Daily Mirror described Bone as Britain's "meanest boss" when he defended paying a 17-year-old trainee 87p an hour to work for his travel company. Bone has said at the Tory party conference that he would not have given her a job if the government had a minimum wage - then thought to be £2.50 an hour.

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/13/minimum-wage-tory-bill

In The Know wrote:
...... ie those who usually never get off their backsides !

Just shows what you CAN achieve if you DO get off your backside (and stop whining and moaning about others !) -

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/414536/Legacy-...-world-s-richest-man

He reaped great benefits ... for himself, his family, his country and his community.

Yes ITK,you can become a drug dealer

I have no problem with genuine capitalism but I have a problem with the corporatism we now live in.

Absolutely agree with you Hedda - you've hit the nail on the head. I think I absolutely approve of capitalism but hate the way it's gone dreadfully wrong. With a few exceptions (Bill Gates and Bruce Springsteen, for example), the corporate mentality has taken over and ruined capitalism - and music has suffered from the same thing.

Giant music corporations could, should be fine if they were run through love of music instead of love of profit. And the executives are promoted who fit the bill (bottom line; shareholders)...

Dear Sir Edward Lewis, founder of Decca and my friend and mentor, got it spot on. I now wish I'd accepted his kind offer to give me his company when he died. I'd have run it as he did - with respect for human beings and love for music.

steveimp wrote:
I have no problem with Capitalism ITK, what I have a problem with is Private Walker style spivery on a bigger scale.

Among Tory MPs who back Chope's bill is Peter Bone, who has strongly opposed the minimum wage. In 1995 the Daily Mirror described Bone as Britain's "meanest boss" when he defended paying a 17-year-old trainee 87p an hour to work for his travel company. Bone has said at the Tory party conference that he would not have given her a job if the government had a minimum wage - then thought to be £2.50 an hour.

I have no knowlkedge of the specific case you mention, steve .... but never heard of interns?

These are people who often work FOR NOTHING just to be able to gain experience, make contacts, show off their skills etc.

A solicitor friend of ours often recalls he was an articled clerk for a "pittance" till he had qualified (he is now very wealthy indeed!).

Also, remember apprenticeships? They lasted up to 7 years - and paid a token amount.

In The Know wrote:
steveimp wrote:
I have no problem with Capitalism ITK, what I have a problem with is Private Walker style spivery on a bigger scale.

Among Tory MPs who back Chope's bill is Peter Bone, who has strongly opposed the minimum wage. In 1995 the Daily Mirror described Bone as Britain's "meanest boss" when he defended paying a 17-year-old trainee 87p an hour to work for his travel company. Bone has said at the Tory party conference that he would not have given her a job if the government had a minimum wage - then thought to be £2.50 an hour.

I have no knowlkedge of the specific case you mention, steve .... but never heard of interns?

These are people who often work FOR NOTHING just to be able to gain experience, make contacts, show off their skills etc.

A solicitor friend of ours often recalls he was an articled clerk for a "pittance" till he had qualified (he is now very wealthy indeed!).

Also, remember apprenticeships? They lasted up to 7 years - and paid a token amount.

so much easier to live in a world where one size fits all.

hedda wrote:
so much easier to live in a world where one size fits all.


... and so much easier (for everyone!) to live in a world where everyone make a contribution to the overall society and does not scrounge on others !

No dole for third child if you are on benefits !!!

(Millions of hard-pressed families, and pensioners, who have worked all their lives and now have to pay for people that wont work, will be cheering !)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2364718...al-welfare-plan.html