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#69338
Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
at 61 with 5000 sales.

Not so good (so far) as we managed with Sons of Admirals (36).
 
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#69361
Jaded and Bored

Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
That's a bit harsh JK considering she did shift 40,000 in the US which SOA didn't.
The thing with Youtube is that it is a global platform so individual charts really don't matter
but the collective sales do and of course all the views.
 
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#69487
Mabuz

Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
The power has moved as JK has noted, away from executives to the artists.

Still the executives are useful, but the internet, the likes of YouTube can sell the artist and their songs.
 
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#69488
Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
Away from the executives - yes. To the artistes - no; and I don't think that's a good thing either. Artistes should create - with 100% of their energy. The reason I became an executive was because my music wasn't that great and I needed to break it. Real talent should leave it to executives to break. But executives need to improve 95%. They have become useless.
 
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#69494
Jaded and Bored

Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
I disagree JK. Your music may not have been great but NO ONE but YOU would
have broken it. Others should follow suit instead of relying on the existing execs
whom you agree are useless ? Your destiny is in your own hands and the music industry
is only just realising this now instead of relying on everyone else and not taking responsibility.
Having said that, not everyone can do it by themselves but they SHOULD plan for this from day one
and get educated. There is no excuse for ignorance anymore.
 
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#69496
Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
Ignorance - correct; no excuse. Wasting creative energy in breaking and marketing and promoting - no; find others to do it; most artistes have neither the ability nor the desire to become salesmen. Define jobs. Improve the music - pay others to bring it mass success.
 
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#69503
Jaded and Bored

Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
You are totally wrong here JK in my opinion. Artists CAN do other things you know.
They are not precious flowers that have to be molly cuddled. You're patronising them by saying so.
Most artists HAVE other jobs. They are quite capable of multi tasking. It's not like they are doing
anything extraordinary. Besides they all started as sales people. How do you think they got noticed in
the first place (Cowell's music machine is a bit of an exception).

Every other small business is capable of balancing all of this. This is why the music industry
has a higher failure rate than any other industry because those WHO create the work hand it over to other
bozos to f**k it up for them and take all the money as well.

Besides this is a moot point. I wish to have a million dollars tomorrow but reality is reality and the reality
is that you cannot leave all the business to the salepeople. Either recruit a band member to fulfill this role
or GET OF YOUR effing high horse and learn it yourself.
 
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#69519
Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
Final chart position - 60 on sales total of 4554 - not good considering the massive You Tube exposure - the "new model" has not been cracked yet.
 
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#69520
Jaded and Bored

Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
JK I really would have expected you of all people to know better.

Please get your facts right when proclaiming whether or not the new model works or not.
Youtube is NOT a UK site, it is a global site so when calculating the sales and chart positions please use the correct
information.

She has sold 87,000 downloads worldwide which makes it in my book a success.

www.rollingstone.com/music/news/on-the-c...icks-around-20110330
 
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#69521
Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
Far from a success J&B - if true - but my point is that this simply has not achieved what a "new model" would have made it achieve; let's be realistic; damn good job done but zero results in sales; zero crossover except for (limited) traditional press. Let's not fool ourselves - and let's learn from this.
 
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#69524
Jaded and Bored

Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
I really don't know where to start JK but then again you are very much part of the old guard
so I must bear that in mind.

82,000,000 views 82,000
87,000 sales

Percentage of 0.1% conversion.

If you have ever done any internet advertising for music you will realise this is actually a very good result, bearing in
mind the FULL version of the song is online for all to hear.
Compare that to how many ears will have to listen to a song before it becomes number one. Gee people really
can't see the woods for the trees. If the song was better or the artist was better you would be looking at Bieber like
success but still for an investment of $4000 a profit of hmm at least $56,000 and this is not a success in your eyes ?

Cynicism for the sake of it is really not cool.
 
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#69531
Jonathan King's Crystal Balls

Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
Jaded And Bored, you're not acknowledging that "Friday" is a one-off in their inventory of songs. None of their other songs are quite so ludicrous lyrically and therefore don't have mileage in terms of the ridicule factor.
 
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#69538
Jaded and Bored

Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
JKCB I am acknowledging it. But that's not the point itself.
It is the template I am talking about. How with a bit of wise promotion you can get
great results with the RIGHT song and video of course.
Just because it is a one off does not mean we can't learn from it.
JK had a career made of one offs. Not all his tracks were hits but then we don't get
to know about the ones that don't break.
 
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#69606
GG

Re:Rebecca Black on UK chart... 14 Years, 2 Months ago  
Success and "Cracking it" in the new model ....whatever that will be...under any conditions would mean putting asses in seats. Live draw is the bellwether of any successful act with very few exceptions over the last 50 years.

Nothing against this young girl, but I doubt anyone would book her.
 
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