andrew wrote:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/if-wasnt-tory-cuts-mum-10430462

Brilliant !

A woman complaining that her mother needed help to get around
is holding a picture of her mum - taking the dog for a walk !

You could NOT make it up ! (but the scrounger-loving Daily Mirror does).

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/if-wasnt-tory-cuts-mum-10430462

Brilliant !

A woman complaining that her mother needed help to get around
is holding a picture of her mum - taking the dog for a walk !

You could NOT make it up ! (but the scrounger-loving Daily Mirror does).

A relative of does suffer from fybo and some days are better than others but taking a dog is a no no as you can't walk long distances.

Do you believe that there should be benefits for the truly physical disabled ?

How long ago was the picture of the mother and dog taken????

All situations need facts "in context" collected. The problem of making too much of one item out context is like advertising/ propaganda, which is normally misleading to convince the average person of something and often easily and successfully. (It could be a recent photo and the mother was healthy but info is not supplied to confirm such)

I still have trouble from that three part detectives series re Ray Teret and the uncovering of the wall with signatures/doodles of teenagers. There was no information provided on timeline and who owned / rented the property etc. As presented on the programme it was a wall of doodles with no established context. That is from the programme. Of course I was not in court and would there have been anything even if I was!

In The Know wrote:
andrew wrote:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/if-wasnt-tory-cuts-mum-10430462

Brilliant !

A woman complaining that her mother needed help to get around
is holding a picture of her mum - taking the dog for a walk !

You could NOT make it up ! (but the scrounger-loving Daily Mirror does).

You might well be right, ITK.Maybe she was swinging the lead. Or maybe it was an old photo.
The thing is, neither of us are doctors, so we cant be sure. And the people who carry out the assessments are not doctors either so they cant tell either!

Of course you should have to prove that you need benefits, but lets not pretend that it is done efficiently, when any old person from the street with no medical knowledge is allowed to make judgement.
Do it properly or dont do it at all!

Suicide is definitely hard for those remaining, that I can understand and accept. But health and the reality that life is limited. That is both are not in endless supply and some people decide apart from lack of benefits that it is their time to go.
My suggestion and I know it is hard, that we should respect people who have decided move on.
So once again not knowing the person's situatin and often that is true for us even for those closest to us that the decision is not due just to one thing, benefits but other factors.

In The Know wrote:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/if-wasnt-tory-cuts-mum-10430462
Brilliant !

A woman complaining that her mother needed help to get around
is holding a picture of her mum - taking the dog for a walk !

You could NOT make it up ! (but the scrounger-loving Daily Mirror does).
Perhaps if you read the article properly and looked at the picture more carefully you'd be able to see that picture being held is an order of service for her mother's funeral.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Of course you should have to prove that you need benefits

exactly.

"Do it properly"?
Just how much of the NHS budget would disappear if we also had to employ Doctors (to see that someone who is taking her dog for a walk) is perfectly able to do a job (if she actually wants to)?

Jamie wrote:
Perhaps if you read the article properly and looked at the picture more carefully you'd be able to see that picture being held is an order of service for her mother's funeral.

I think this is at the heart of the problem.

Guilt?

That she didn't look after her mother properly?
Dumped her on the system (or in many cases in a care home) because they cannot be bothered?

No wonder some give up the will to live - abandonned by their OWN children.

I still want to know and why nurses are using food banks.

How much do nurses etc want to be paid ?

May said there is no magic money tree last night.

Corbyn said he will just taxp
the rich and avoided the fact they could lay off staff and move abroad.

Sounds like if Labour got in it will just be more and more unemployed that means more UC.

I am happy looking after the missus day and night because I care about her and will never stop what I'm doing.

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
Of course you should have to prove that you need benefits

exactly.

"Do it properly"?
Just how much of the NHS budget would disappear if we also had to employ Doctors (to see that someone who is taking her dog for a walk) is perfectly able to do a job (if she actually wants to)?

We already employ doctors. The ones who treat the claimants. we can take their word for it cant we?

andrew wrote:
I still want to know and why nurses are using food banks.

How much do nurses etc want to be paid ?

May said there is no magic money tree last night.

Corbyn said he will just taxp
the rich and avoided the fact they could lay off staff and move abroad.

Sounds like if Labour got in it will just be more and more unemployed that means more UC.

I am happy looking after the missus day and night because I care about her and will never stop what I'm doing.

People use food banks for emergencies mostly, and that can happen regardless of income.
Anybody can have unexpected things like floods, fires and funerals to pay for.
And, you simply arent allowed to use food banks continuously. (for Trussel, which is nearly all of them) it is three times in six months.

Benefits - who gets them, how much they get, and who pays for it - is a bigger election issue than Brexit for people like Damian Naylor.

He's just left Warrington registry office with his partner Emma and their two-week-old baby.

The 27-year-old has got to get straight back to work as a bricklayer. "I've got to feed the kids, and put clothes on their backs," he tells Newsbeat.

He and workmate Chris reckon others misuse state handouts.

"I've got friends that are just Xbox bums," says Chris. "They live off that dole and play on the Xbox all day."

all from - www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40118317/...others-are-xbox-bums

"Book Reader Bum" speaks

In The Know wrote:
Benefits - who gets them, how much they get, and who pays for it - is a bigger election issue than Brexit for people like Damian Naylor.

He's just left Warrington registry office with his partner Emma and their two-week-old baby.

The 27-year-old has got to get straight back to work as a bricklayer. "I've got to feed the kids, and put clothes on their backs," he tells Newsbeat.

He and workmate Chris reckon others misuse state handouts.

"I've got friends that are just Xbox bums," says Chris. "They live off that dole and play on the Xbox all day."

all from - www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40118317/...others-are-xbox-bums

This on/off Reader Bum experienced "great satisfaction" when the opportunity existed not only to be doing one job but two jobs, weekly hours far in excess of 60 hours per week. I had the chance for a short time to make money, get ahead and even save. But it did not last due to lack of opportunity. Then next I was a "Reader Bum" again!!!!

In The Know wrote:
Benefits - who gets them, how much they get, and who pays for it - is a bigger election issue than Brexit for people like Damian Naylor.

He's just left Warrington registry office with his partner Emma and their two-week-old baby.

The 27-year-old has got to get straight back to work as a bricklayer. "I've got to feed the kids, and put clothes on their backs," he tells Newsbeat.

He and workmate Chris reckon others misuse state handouts.

"I've got friends that are just Xbox bums," says Chris. "They live off that dole and play on the Xbox all day."

all from - www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40118317/...others-are-xbox-bums

My boys have xboxes.(and jobs) I cant think how anyone on the dole can afford the games and all the extra bits that you pay for because it is jolly expensive.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
My boys have xboxes.(and jobs) I cant think how anyone on the dole can afford the games and all the extra bits that you pay for because it is jolly expensive.

... by going to a Food Bank and saving your food money !!!!

I wonder if Corbyn will close food banks ?

He will nationalize them (then see how much money they lose !!!)

They will turn a charity into a loss making operation !

In The Know wrote:
He will nationalize them (then see how much money they lose !!!)

They will turn a charity into a loss making operation !

I think the problem is that they have already been "nationalised" by Trussel.

For reasons I cannot understand, churches pay Trussel to do what they have always done perfectly well for nothing!

Please!!! xboxes or no xboxes! So what!!!!!!!!!!!!

"We will change the culture of the
social security system, from one that
demonises people not in work to one
that is supportive and enabling."

From Labour Manifesto.

Personally I do not care what faith, belief or system works for the stated objective.

I hope that one day in various places in the world strong leaders will emerge in greater numbers and influence, to see this or similar stated objectives achieved.

That citizens will be grateful for what they have and not berate the less fortunate people (Sometimes because they feel frustrated and guilty themselves!). And that they learn to accept that there will always be some lazy, horrible people both in work and not in work. But laziness is their problem in the long run that is long term, deliberate and persistent laziness.

(Accept any normal person will feel a certain annoyance at those say offered a regular secure reasonably paid job and then refuse it)

Labour has done many nasty things just like the others. Often it seems a choice of two evils. I accept that Corbyn represents a possible hope and I am all for hope. Expectation is low, of course.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
I think the problem is that they have already been "nationalised" by Trussel.

For reasons I cannot understand, churches pay Trussel to do what they have always done perfectly well for nothing!

In other words, Trussel have a vested interest in keeping their "industry" going?

No wonder the figures keep going up - Trussel wouldn't want it any other way !