That should read 318 and 335

Penang Pete wrote:
I doubt he ever had a p!of to loose,cackling on about more and more nonsense with each post.
Off to bed now,midnight turned here.

We are just off out, got a function in Sheffield this evening
(won't tell our silly little friend where, he'd be carted off if he turned an even deeper shade of green !)

Tell them all about your ancestor, the Queen...

You see ITK:-


you say you're a descendent of a 'queen' -
who wasn't, because she couldn't be

think that another political party, to yours, caused all the current economic problems we have

even though they're out of office for nearly a decade

and forget your politcal friends have doubled our debt in a few years

simply ignoring facts is useless

but logical counter argument is more helpful than supreme bias


Did Steel go well...



("lol")

In The Know wrote:
Penang Pete wrote:
I doubt he ever had a p!of to loose,cackling on about more and more nonsense with each post.
Off to bed now,midnight turned here.

We are just off out, got a function in Sheffield this evening
(won't tell our silly little friend where, he'd be carted off if he turned an even deeper shade of green !)

Hope the evening went well,troll Billy has no mates,so stayed in.
Off to KL tonight,the election campaign is hotting up here.

Spee wrote:
Tell them all about your ancestor, the Queen...

No Germans in my family !

I am connected to the REAL Royal family !

Penang Pete wrote:
Hope the evening went well,troll Billy has no mates,so stayed in.
Off to KL tonight,the election campaign is hotting up here.

Yes it did thanks ... just one of Mrs ITK's charity fundraising campaigns (she's good at them too).

Do tell us about the KL election as I am not In The Know about that.
Do you have a Loony party over there too?

Yes I can picture you on the sofa next to Jim Royle at Christmas ITK...

Spee wrote:
you say you're a descendent of a 'queen'

I didn't say anything of the kind !

I said I was descended from the FitzHerbert family, one of which (by marriage) had been the first wife (and only true love) of George IV.

Although it has to be said that at the coronation of George, Maria FitzHerbert WAS present in the Abbey (unlike his "official" wife Caroline, who had been excluded and went round the Abbey banging on all the doors demanding to be let in !)

I like the sound of Caroline.

JK2006 wrote:
I like the sound of Caroline.

Only washed once a year (usually on her birthday)!

She only met George the day before they "married" and when George first saw her he turned to an equery and said "My God, I need a stiff drink !"

In The Know wrote:
I was descended from the FitzHerbert family, one of which (by marriage) had been the first wife of George IV

Because of the Royal Marriages Act and the Act of Settlement - Fitzherbert was never G4's wife.

Both Acts - neither of which was mentioned by you - prohibited it, probably because you never heard of them!

Why continue to live in crowd-cuckoo land and ignore English law for the sake of your ego?

It doesn't change the fact that nowhere - in this country's official doicuments/history, and those of the monarchy - is any wife, save for Brunswick, recorded.



Why? Because none existed...

In The Know wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I like the sound of Caroline.

Only washed once a year (usually on her birthday)!

She only met George the day before they "married" and when George first saw her he turned to an equery and said "My God, I need a stiff drink !"

The drink was possibly the only thing stiff

Few weeks in KL now,a busy time. As always in these parts the best cheater will win.

In The Know wrote:
Spee wrote:
you say you're a descendent of a 'queen'

I didn't say anything of the kind !

I said I was descended from the FitzHerbert family, one of which (by marriage) had been the first wife (and only true love) of George IV.

Although it has to be said that at the coronation of George, Maria FitzHerbert WAS present in the Abbey (unlike his "official" wife Caroline, who had been excluded and went round the Abbey banging on all the doors demanding to be let in !)

Thanks for the facts, In The Know

Quite fascinating how the Royals re-write history to suit themselves (even Diana will not be mentioned in a few years time. Anyone else see that sickening documentary on Camilla?)

In The Know wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I like the sound of Caroline.

Only washed once a year (usually on her birthday)!

She only met George the day before they "married" and when George first saw her he turned to an equery and said "My God, I need a stiff drink !"


Just a bit rich coming from a 17.5 stone bloke with a 50" waist, peripheral endema, porphyria, gout and syphilis - and a massive overdraft.

Only Fitzherbert - having already disposed of two husbands seemed keen to share his bed, albeit in the knowledge she couldn't (under law) be either his wife or queen.

This catholic lady was most keen to aquire property and pensions from G4 - and a title.

Some said she later refused a title - but that story is as unlikely as Caroline banging on the door of a coronation!


As for Caroline washing once a year - many pictures of her private bathing parties, on the Brighton seafront - and Peacehaven's - adorn buildings on the Old Steine.

In addition to those still on The Lanes, and even on the walls of the pub still called after her.


Early version of fake news, for the highly gullible.

Just behind Bath in the Recency league table, Brighton remains a gem...

PB wrote:
Quite fascinating how the Royals re-write history to suit themselves (even Diana will not be mentioned in a few years time. Anyone else see that sickening documentary on Camilla?)

No - there's an endless stream of these on ... waiting for the Meghan runs off and ditches Harry (to star in porn movie) doc .... THAT WILL be worth watching !

I wonder if Andrew Morton has started his book yet ?

Spee wrote:
Some said she later refused a title - but that story is as unlikely as Caroline banging on the door of a coronation!

Just how many times do you have to prove you are a complete t**t ?

The last Prince of Wales to marry, in 1795, had done so drunk, very drunk, because he disliked Caroline of Brunswick, his bride.
To “Prinny”, later George IV, “one damned German frau is as good as another” – for in his own eyes he had already been married, 10 years earlier to another bride.

She was Maria Fitzherbert, and their marriage without the King’s consent was forbidden under the Royal Marriages Act of 1772. Worse, she was a Roman Catholic, which would have debarred George from the throne. But they had gone through a ceremony at her house in Mayfair, conducted by a Church of England clergyman, released from the Fleet prison by the Prince’s paying his debts of �£500.

Mrs Fitzherbert was set up in a house in Pall Mall, and cartoonists had a field day.

Nothing came to any good, and at the Prince’s coronation as George IV in Westminster Abbey, Queen Caroline was left banging on the door to be let in. Mrs Fitzherbert was shuffled off with a pension of �£10,000 a year, and lived to the year of Victoria’s accession:
in her memorial effigy she wears three wedding rings from three deceased husbands, the King's included.

all above from - www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/c...yal-fairy-tales.html

Spee wrote:
Some said she later refused a title - but that story is as unlikely as Caroline banging on the door of a coronation!

Even the official Westminster Abbey website has the details !

George IV's coronation in the Abbey on 19 July 1821 was a superbly extravagant pageant that cost a staggering �£230,000! He had a new crown containing over 12,000 diamonds specially made. The ageing and obese King sweltered in his suit, thick velvet coronation robes, a long curled wig and plumed hat, and he used no fewer than nineteen handkerchiefs to mop his heavily perspiring brow!

Meanwhile, outside the Abbey, his estranged wife, Caroline of Brunswick, was desperately trying to get in to the church to be crowned consort. George IV, adamant she would not be crowned, ordered those guarding the entrances to the Abbey to refuse her entry. Despite trying every door into the church, Caroline finally accepted defeat and left.
www.westminster-abbey.org/our-history/royals/george-iv

Spee wrote:
In The Know wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I like the sound of Caroline.

Only washed once a year (usually on her birthday)!

She only met George the day before they "married" and when George first saw her he turned to an equery and said "My God, I need a stiff drink !"


Just a bit rich coming from a 17.5 stone bloke with a 50" waist, peripheral endema, porphyria, gout and syphilis - and a massive overdraft.

Only Fitzherbert - having already disposed of two husbands seemed keen to share his bed, albeit in the knowledge she couldn't (under law) be either his wife or queen.

This catholic lady was most keen to aquire property and pensions from G4 - and a title.

Some said she later refused a title - but that story is as unlikely as Caroline banging on the door of a coronation!


As for Caroline washing once a year - many pictures of her private bathing parties, on the Brighton seafront - and Peacehaven's - adorn buildings on the Old Steine.

In addition to those still on The Lanes, and even on the walls of the pub still called after her.


Early version of fake news, for the highly gullible.

Just behind Bath in the Recency league table, Brighton remains a gem...






At this time, it is highly significant that Catholic Emancipation was vehemently opposed by the Tories.

Creating yet another obstacle to the Fitzherbert plan to improve her lot - as well as the legal ones.

Before his assassination, Spencer Percival - the PM - was adamant the the role of catholics would not improve.


Happily Maria Fitzherbert lived to a good age near the Pier - but not as a Peeress, as she had hoped...

Dated links are useless - as the media didn't really exist, in those days.

The wealthy just said what they wanted to - and, to people like ITK in the current era - it is gospel!

In the unlikely event of ITK of going to University to do history, he would get a 3:3 in believing everything.

Links at University are verboten in every sense - as they just give the opinion of another.


For example, Westminster Abbey has 77 doors; did Caroline bang on all, or did she have help?

Maybe it's just a myth...