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#164462
Jo

Tom Cruise - will he ever leave Scientology? 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
When I saw that video a few years ago of Tom Cruise singing the praises of Scientology (https(colon)//www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0), I thought he was probably a nice guy who had been duped, perhaps cossetted from the realities to keep him a useful figurehead to draw in members and money, but given the now copious information available online and on TV from journalists and former members about how the organisation operates and treats its members and critics (e.g. requiring members to sever contact with relatives who criticise the organisation, thus breaking up families and/or making it more difficult for doubters to leave, employing child labour, employing adult labour for a pittance, sending members who don't toe the line to reeducation camps, harassing former members and critics, draining members' finances by requiring them to pay through the nose for the material that will supposedly help them reach enlightenment) and given that TC apparently has an ego of interstellar proportions*, I wonder if it's more likely that he's aware of the realities but is happy to carry on regardless as the organisation is such an ego booster.

* TC apparently considers himself the third most important person in the world @ 16:30 https(colon)//www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=7sALsnsedLM (tonyortega.org/)

How come no one asks Tom Cruise about Scientology? ("When Cruise received the church’s Freedom Medal of Valor, Boniadi told him “very well done” and subsequently spent hours per day undergoing treatments to help her understand one did not speak to Tom Cruise like this. They might be sleeping together, but they were not equals.")

TC's Heated Interview With Matt Lauer: https(colon)//www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=tFgF1JPNR5E

TC accepts "Freedom Medal of Valor": https(dot)//www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=YnDc8_56BdE

Why Leah Remini [ex Scientologist] Thinks Tom Cruise Won't Leave Scientology: https(colon)//www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=G8lopnQFj5s

Scientology Documentary: Lawrence Wright talks about "Going Clear": https(colon)//www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=noDEBbqxkF0

A film director who had been a Scientologist for decades apparently left because of the organisation's attitude to gay marriage (Paul Haggis vs. the Church of Scientology), proving that it's possible for a longstanding member to leave on ethical grounds. So surely not impossible either for TC to have a crisis of conscience. Wonder if it will ever happen.
 
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#164467
andrew

Re:Tom Cruise - will he ever leave Scientology? 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
I have always been intrigued by the 'church' and the way it's organised. Tom has a very powerful position in the cult and has powerful friends.

TC is rumoured to be in the closet for years.

If you can afford the courses and not join Sea org then you are okay to an extent but otherwise it's hard labour to get the courses.
 
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Jo

Re:Tom Cruise - will he ever leave Scientology? 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
It may have been in one of the above videos or in another one I was watching recently but someone who had investigated the organisation said that they didn't think TC was gay. I tend to believe that. Otherwise it would mean that all his wives/girlfriends would have been stupid enough to fall for him and stay with him for as long as they did. Not necessarily out of the question but I doubt that so many women would really do that. It would also mean that, in the age of the internet, salacious media, not to mention people with axes to grind against Scientology, not a single male partner of this man of now advanced years had ever spilled the beans or indeed claimed "abuse".

The Sea Org seems very strange. A kind of elite group that doesn't sound much fun to be in!

How the organisation works intrigues me too, in a similar way to false abuse allegations. Both seem to have characteristics of a scam. I did a bit of Googling about scams a few years ago after a run-in with a bogus "independent financial adviser" working for a bogus but PR-savvy IFA company. Though I didn't lose money as I became suspicious early enough to extricate myself, I can't claim that I wasn't initially duped into something that could have been - and, as I later discovered, has been for many other people - extremely costly. I wonder if the process of people being sucked into Scientology starts in a similar way, with people having to lay bare their souls in a "personality test" or audit, a kind of enforced honesty, as in a financial adviser's "fact find". Perhaps it creates a situation where, by revealing personal details not usually revealed to close friends, let alone a stranger, people can be lulled into a false sense of security and let their guard down, maybe assume that the person they're dealing with is being equally honest, when they could be a duped cult member or a dishonest charlatan. Not to mention wanting to believe whatever they're offering is true or likely to be beneficial. But I suppose a cult would also involve quite a bit more from the point of view of manipulation and brainwashing.

They must really know how to crack people up, given that they did such a good job on the BBC's John Sweeney!
https(colon)//www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=mjlo4u_8g60

Here's something that might interest hedda. Calling hedda 123 123 testing testing… is there anybody there?

The Wikipedia entry for the Scientology spokesman in that video says:
"He is currently the General Manager of Consolidated Press Holdings North America LLC, a private investment vehicle owned by Australian billionaire, James Packer."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Davis_(Scientology)

It reminds me of something I read earlier today (Beaming Tom Cruise appears in awe as he visits $16 million Scientology headquarters in New Zealand [seems to be the most recent Tom Cruise Scientology article online]) where there's a comment from a reader saying that the owners of the largest newspaper franchise in Australia are Scientologists. True or nonsense? I wonder if hedda might have some insights into this or anything else about this subject.

According to Wikipedia, James Packer used to be involved in Scientology.
"In 2002, following the breakdown of his first marriage, and the development of a friendship with Tom Cruise, Packer began attending the Church of Scientology in Australia, taking courses on the Church's Dundas business centre. He subsequently confirmed his involvement with Scientology, saying he had found it "helpful". He later distanced himself from the church."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Packer
 
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#164484
andrew

Re:Tom Cruise - will he ever leave Scientology? 6 Years, 9 Months ago  
The only Packer I know is his dad Kerry. He changed cricket and broadcasting and for the good.

If a rich bastard wants to spend money on something he believes in then be it. Sweeney got the runaround with them and rightly so.

Sea Org is basically for people who can't afford the courses so they do shitty jobs to get the courses.
 
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