Bedtime reading for ITK

Monday, May 21, 2018
by
Common Dreams
The Coming Collapse

It is impossible for any doomed population to grasp how fragile the decayed financial, social and political system is on the eve of implosion.
by
Chris Hedges

www.commondreams.org/views/2018/05/21/co...source=socialnetwork

The Coming Collapse, hedda (a la Sodom and Gommorah) was also signalled by the recent vote in Ireland to allow people to kill children if they are inconvenient.

Any society which could even conceive to allow such a thing is doomed ! Doomed, I tell ye !

Nature is ALL about survival ... not self destruction.

In The Know wrote:
allow people to kill children if they are inconvenient

just as we have been doing for generations even for the irish

a dozen irish women have abortions here every week

in addition to the thousands of terminations here

In The Know wrote:
The Coming Collapse, hedda (a la Sodom and Gommorah) was also signalled by the recent vote in Ireland to allow people to kill children if they are inconvenient.

Any society which could even conceive to allow such a thing is doomed ! Doomed, I tell ye !

Nature is ALL about survival ... not self destruction.


When you support a law that denies benefits for a third child, and object to single mothers being housed, it forces women into having abortions and takes away the supposed "choice".

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
When you support a law that denies benefits for a third child, and object to single mothers being housed, it forces women into having abortions and takes away the supposed "choice".

When will you people accept SOME responsibility for your actions - or is it ALWAYS some one else's fault?

People who cannot afford children should not be having them.

This law will simply mean taking away all responsibility from individuals ... drop as many kids as you want - the state will kill them for you !

ALL these "social reforms" make matters worse ... giving free contraceptives out to kids simply means they don't take them - leading to MORE abortions / MORE STDs and MORE ruined lives.

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
When you support a law that denies benefits for a third child, and object to single mothers being housed, it forces women into having abortions and takes away the supposed "choice".

When will you people accept SOME responsibility for your actions - or is it ALWAYS some one else's fault?

People who cannot afford children should not be having them.

This law will simply mean taking away all responsibility from individuals ... drop as many kids as you want - the state will kill them for you !

ALL these "social reforms" make matters worse ... giving free contraceptives out to kids simply means they don't take them - leading to MORE abortions / MORE STDs and MORE ruined lives.

I share your frustrations, ITK. I cant begin to fathom why people have children if they cant support them, but I also dont want their children killed so I dont have to pay for them.

I just dont think abortion should be expected or necessary.

Actually, I read somewhere that more forty and thirty somethings have abortions than teens do.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
When you support a law that denies benefits for a third child, and object to single mothers being housed, it forces women into having abortions and takes away the supposed "choice".

When will you people accept SOME responsibility for your actions - or is it ALWAYS some one else's fault?

People who cannot afford children should not be having them.

This law will simply mean taking away all responsibility from individuals ... drop as many kids as you want - the state will kill them for you !

ALL these "social reforms" make matters worse ... giving free contraceptives out to kids simply means they don't take them - leading to MORE abortions / MORE STDs and MORE ruined lives.

I share your frustrations, ITK. I cant begin to fathom why people have children if they cant support them, but I also dont want their children killed so I dont have to pay for them.

I just dont think abortion should be expected or necessary.

Actually, I read somewhere that more forty and thirty somethings have abortions than teens do.

Required reading for ITK (and others).

# replace ""life unworthy of life,"" with "those who are not Tory voters or the upwardly mobile"

"Nazi eugenics were a set of beliefs and rules that were very important to Nazi Germany during World War II. These beliefs said that the Aryan race was the master race – the best race of all – and all other races were inferior (not as good). There were also many other people who the Nazis believed were "life unworthy of life," like people with disabilities'

simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

hedda wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
When you support a law that denies benefits for a third child, and object to single mothers being housed, it forces women into having abortions and takes away the supposed "choice".

When will you people accept SOME responsibility for your actions - or is it ALWAYS some one else's fault?

People who cannot afford children should not be having them.

This law will simply mean taking away all responsibility from individuals ... drop as many kids as you want - the state will kill them for you !

ALL these "social reforms" make matters worse ... giving free contraceptives out to kids simply means they don't take them - leading to MORE abortions / MORE STDs and MORE ruined lives.

I share your frustrations, ITK. I cant begin to fathom why people have children if they cant support them, but I also dont want their children killed so I dont have to pay for them.

I just dont think abortion should be expected or necessary.

Actually, I read somewhere that more forty and thirty somethings have abortions than teens do.

Required reading for ITK (and others).

# replace ""life unworthy of life,"" with "those who are not Tory voters or the upwardly mobile"

"Nazi eugenics were a set of beliefs and rules that were very important to Nazi Germany during World War II. These beliefs said that the Aryan race was the master race – the best race of all – and all other races were inferior (not as good). There were also many other people who the Nazis believed were "life unworthy of life," like people with disabilities'

simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

I might be being a bit thicker than usual (having been awake most of the night worrying about getting to hospital for 7.15, and then having having the appointment cancelled after paying a fortune getting there in the taxi, all for nothing!) But I cant see the connection between Aryans and what ITK was saying.

perhaps it's something to do with ITK's insistence that those at the bottom of the heap are there because of their own actions, single mothers shouldn't have children. everyone on benefits are scroungers etc etc etc...in other words..let them just die.

Or better still..perhaps they should be made into Soylent Green and serve a useful purpose (I wouldn't mind- you can eat me anytime as long as I'm dead. My ambition is to be laid out on a mountain top and be eaten by the Buzzards but I'm not sure you can do that on Bondi Beach)

But I feel your pain as I too had to get up very early for a medical treatment at 8am (about 6 hours too early for me) although mine wasn't cancelled but I did nod off several times but of course, my mind remained sharp as a tack.

honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
I might be being a bit thicker than usual (having been awake most of the night worrying about getting to hospital for 7.15, and then having having the appointment cancelled after paying a fortune getting there in the taxi, all for nothing!) But I cant see the connection between Aryans and what ITK was saying.

There is NO connection at all ... hedda has simply lost the argument (yet again) so rants on and tries to change the subject

In The Know wrote:
honey!oh sugar sugar. wrote:
When you support a law that denies benefits for a third child, and object to single mothers being housed, it forces women into having abortions and takes away the supposed "choice".

When will you people accept SOME responsibility for your actions - or is it ALWAYS some one else's fault?

People who cannot afford children should not be having them.

This law will simply mean taking away all responsibility from individuals ... drop as many kids as you want - the state will kill them for you !

ALL these "social reforms" make matters worse ... giving free contraceptives out to kids simply means they don't take them - leading to MORE abortions / MORE STDs and MORE ruined lives.

And what do you mean by "you people"?

hedda wrote:
those at the bottom of the heap are there because of their own actions

hedda will now explain why its always someone else's fault !

In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
those at the bottom of the heap are there because of their own actions

hedda will now explain why its always someone else's fault !

Indeed it is someone else's fault..yours for being so stupid.

Sadly there are millions like you.

It's all your fault.

bastard.

hedda wrote:
Indeed it is someone else's fault..yours for being so stupid.

Sadly there are millions like you.

It's all your fault.

bastard.

If some of these dolers / scroungers etc spent HALF the time they spend moaning about everything - actually doing something (training / learning to read !!! etc) to make themselves more employable the problem would soon be solved.

As it is ... the problem will go on forever because they will do NOTHING and simply continue to blame everyone else !

In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
Indeed it is someone else's fault..yours for being so stupid.

Sadly there are millions like you.

It's all your fault.

bastard.

If some of these dolers / scroungers etc spent HALF the time they spend moaning about everything - actually doing something (training / learning to read !!! etc) to make themselves more employable the problem would soon be solved.

As it is ... the problem will go on forever because they will do NOTHING and simply continue to blame everyone else !


as simplistic as humanly possible

In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
Indeed it is someone else's fault..yours for being so stupid.

Sadly there are millions like you.

It's all your fault.

bastard.

If some of these dolers / scroungers etc spent HALF the time they spend moaning about everything - actually doing something (training / learning to read !!! etc) to make themselves more employable the problem would soon be solved.

As it is ... the problem will go on forever because they will do NOTHING and simply continue to blame everyone else !

No wonder Mrs ITK needs all those new shoes. Does she accompany you when you get out and meet and greet all the dolers of Great Britain?

I mean I'm fond of meeting new people and having a good chat but I couldn't possibly meet the several million in the UK who live on the breadline.

hedda wrote:
I mean I'm fond of meeting new people and having a good chat but I couldn't possibly meet the several million in the UK who live on the breadline.

... and aren't they lucky, hedda? Very very lucky !

Not only are they given FREE housing (which someone else has to work to pay for) but loads of cash as well (oooh, more scratchcards !).
Some - the more brazen ones - even get FREE food, meaning even more of their FREE money can go on booze and ciggies !

They should be on their knees kissing the feet of the ordinary men and women who go out to work all day (no Jeremy Kyle show, while lying on the settee, for them !) in order to "feed" these poor souls.

No wonder those great Victorian philanthropists, like Titus Salt and Lord Lever - had millions attending their funerals !
The gravy train had died !!!!

As you know, hedda, I'm a great believer in helping the needy so I'm going to suggest a "swap" scheme.
Those that want to come here and work, can do so, and in return we'll send some of those that don't work to Syria (and other places) to "balance" the numbers out a little !

Apparently, we are in for a good harvest this year, especially in soft fruits.
Sadly most of that stuff will rot in the ground, because those poor desperate souls who claim to want work will NOT pick the fruit.
AND these same souls who caused Brexit have forced foreign workers to stay away.
Result? No one to pick the fruit.

Perhaps we could pay fruit pickers extra? - and deduct the entire cost from the amount paid out in benefits?

In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
I mean I'm fond of meeting new people and having a good chat but I couldn't possibly meet the several million in the UK who live on the breadline.

... and aren't they lucky, hedda? Very very lucky !

Not only are they given FREE housing (which someone else has to work to pay for) but loads of cash as well (oooh, more scratchcards !).
Some - the more brazen ones - even get FREE food, meaning even more of their FREE money can go on booze and ciggies !

They should be on their knees kissing the feet of the ordinary men and women who go out to work all day (no Jeremy Kyle show, while lying on the settee, for them !) in order to "feed" these poor souls.

No wonder those great Victorian philanthropists, like Titus Salt and Lord Lever - had millions attending their funerals !
The gravy train had died !!!!

As you know, hedda, I'm a great believer in helping the needy so I'm going to suggest a "swap" scheme.
Those that want to come here and work, can do so, and in return we'll send some of those that don't work to Syria (and other places) to "balance" the numbers out a little !

Apparently, we are in for a good harvest this year, especially in soft fruits.
Sadly most of that stuff will rot in the ground, because those poor desperate souls who claim to want work will NOT pick the fruit.
AND these same souls who caused Brexit have forced foreign workers to stay away.
Result? No one to pick the fruit.

Perhaps we could pay fruit pickers extra? - and deduct the entire cost from the amount paid out in benefits?

I thought there was to be some sort of exception for fruit pickers?

I would think there are more middle class scroungers with their free nursery places, and free or heavily subsidised "wrap around" care (cant be arsed care!) and breakfast clubs at school.
Like you said... if you cant afford them, dont have them!

In The Know wrote:
hedda wrote:
I mean I'm fond of meeting new people and having a good chat but I couldn't possibly meet the several million in the UK who live on the breadline.

... and aren't they lucky, hedda? Very very lucky !

Not only are they given FREE housing (which someone else has to work to pay for) but loads of cash as well (oooh, more scratchcards !).
Some - the more brazen ones - even get FREE food, meaning even more of their FREE money can go on booze and ciggies !

They should be on their knees kissing the feet of the ordinary men and women who go out to work all day (no Jeremy Kyle show, while lying on the settee, for them !) in order to "feed" these poor souls.

No wonder those great Victorian philanthropists, like Titus Salt and Lord Lever - had millions attending their funerals !
The gravy train had died !!!!

As you know, hedda, I'm a great believer in helping the needy so I'm going to suggest a "swap" scheme.
Those that want to come here and work, can do so, and in return we'll send some of those that don't work to Syria (and other places) to "balance" the numbers out a little !

Apparently, we are in for a good harvest this year, especially in soft fruits.
Sadly most of that stuff will rot in the ground, because those poor desperate souls who claim to want work will NOT pick the fruit.
AND these same souls who caused Brexit have forced foreign workers to stay away.
Result? No one to pick the fruit.

Perhaps we could pay fruit pickers extra? - and deduct the entire cost from the amount paid out in benefits?

Skill shortage, brain drain "no one to pick the fruit" - what are the real issues, "what is the truth". That is the media are reporting the voice of the "easy street for the employers" who provide poor work conditions, extremely low to almost zero wages. Labour ripoffs i.e. employers stealing from the poor sods they get. I do not know what the issues are as a clear concise and detailed reports would not grab headlines. As always there are some real skill shortages, some brain drain and situations with no one at all to pick the fruit.
BUT in considering the overall picture the real facts are often hidden. Forgot to mention even the rules for benefits can prevent people who want to work been able to as their benefit position income and so on is jeopardized by short term work.
Sometimes it can be a simple solution like the farmer arranging the collection of workers each day and providing a light meal. I was raised on a fruit farm so have some idea from the old days of what was done to get pickers and also have been a victim of the downside of the modern market economy so know a little of the issues from that side as well.

wjlmarsh wrote:
Skill shortage, brain drain "no one to pick the fruit" - what are the real issues, "what is the truth". That is the media are reporting the voice of the "easy street for the employers" who provide poor work conditions, extremely low to almost zero wages. Labour ripoffs i.e. employers stealing from the poor sods they get. I do not know what the issues are as a clear concise and detailed reports would not grab headlines. As always there are some real skill shortages, some brain drain and situations with no one at all to pick the fruit.
BUT in considering the overall picture the real facts are often hidden. Forgot to mention even the rules for benefits can prevent people who want to work been able to as their benefit position income and so on is jeopardized by short term work.
Sometimes it can be a simple solution like the farmer arranging the collection of workers each day and providing a light meal. I was raised on a fruit farm so have some idea from the old days of what was done to get pickers and also have been a victim of the downside of the modern market economy so know a little of the issues from that side as well.

Thank you.