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TOPIC: Let me tell you a story...
#184574
Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Back in 2001 we had employed a (not very good) private investigator who, just before my trial, got a message from a policeman (or ex policeman) that he could guarantee if we paid him £5000 for each of my five false accusers, they would back down and retract their evidence.
Where he got their names and contact details (if he had them) I have no idea.

I told my guy to tell his cop (or ex cop) to fuck off. I never give in to blackmail, which I thought this "offer" was, knowing they always come back for more and anyway suspected the £25K would disappear into a black hole without any result.

In 2018 I was given proof of a certain person contacting an officer on my case in 2001, begging for contact details of my false accusers. She refused and reported him to her superiors (she is still a Surrey Police officer, now very senior and, I suspect, very good).

Putting two and two together I've come up with the number 4.
 
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#184578
Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Crikey!
 
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#184579
Yeksum

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
What a horrible tale but not surprising alas. If you want corruption then join the Police.

You should have told the (ex) officer that his(?) despicable motives aren't worth the gum on his shoe.
 
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#184582
wyot

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Dear god seriously? You have now made this public in so far as this site goes...Any further?
 
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#184585
Misa

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Good grief! An old-school protection racket – what Meirion Jones used to call a 'roof'.

I'm warming to 2019 already.
 
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#184588
hedda

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
it took me a very long time to understand sociopath / psychopaths and that they come from all walks of life, work in all types of jobs and can range from very dumb to very intelligent.

And there are a hell of a lot more of them out there.

It only takes one to start off a series of events that can destroy lives. There are great examples of the devastation they can cause..from the terrible events of WW2 to a sociopath bent copper who is dealing with a sociopath "victim"...remembering that the main thing with them is a complete lack of empathy about other people and a great ability to appear genuine.

It's why shrinks always say when you realise a person you are dealing with is a psychopath should just run for the hills..you cannot reason with them.
 
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#184598
Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
One of the mysteries involving MWT is why he was not prosecuted for offering names and contact details to media editors in 2001. Even HHJ Taylor was shocked. Of course, some (now) top cops may not want the publicity of a trial in which he might have mentioned certain names keen for him to leak confidential info to the media. Such as "Cliff's about to be busted". I suspect some top cops are running for cover at this very moment, worried by what MWT might reveal if it ever reaches the Courts and Public Domain. Watching high profile police distancing themselves from him has been fascinating over the past 6 months. You see, it may not just be Conspiracy To Pervert The Course Of Justice. It might be other crimes - like Blackmail. Someone may soon be needing a good Funeral Parlour.
 
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#184601
hedda

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
One of the mysteries involving MWT is why he was not prosecuted for offering names and contact details to media editors in 2001. Even HHJ Taylor was shocked. Of course, some (now) top cops may not want the publicity of a trial in which he might have mentioned certain names keen for him to leak confidential info to the media. Such as "Cliff's about to be busted". I suspect some top cops are running for cover at this very moment, worried by what MWT might reveal if it ever reaches the Courts and Public Domain. Watching high profile police distancing themselves from him has been fascinating over the past 6 months. You see, it may not just be Conspiracy To Pervert The Course Of Justice. It might be other crimes - like Blackmail. Someone may soon be needing a good Funeral Parlour.

the problem with many of these ex-coppers who seek publicity is that The Met or any local force will not reveal details about ex-copper's service even after they retire because of privacy concerns.

It's why an MWT can get away with all sorts of claims..some quite ridiculous and the media are happy to go along with it (Good Story ).

No DC conducts a serious investigation such as an alleged sexual assault. They may take the original phone call & complaint but A DCI always is in charge with a number of DCs doing the grunt work.

You can be sure that all those DCs that work on a case get pissed off with the likes of MWT who claims credit for a combined effort...I bet plenty lurk to get back at him when the timing is right.

Also means a number of coppers will use a fool like MWT to "assist" in their cases.
 
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#184604
Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
The trouble with "taking it further" is the absence of solid proof and the fact that, even if proved, it doesn't help my appeal which is the 2019 priority (just heard from the CCRC that they are taking it as an urgent priority and should reach some initial conclusions by March). But it does add to the mix - illustrating the motives and characters of major players (not, necessarily, the false accusers; I always felt they were more played than playing).

Interesting that, when we finally obtained the disclosed medical information, the one who started it all (with, eventually, MWT, via Clifford) turned out to have been in 29 mental institutions and rehab units before 2000 and never mentioned my name once. Nor the Walton Hop - which later turned into such a key to his false claims. And shared one rehab bedroom with a very young Will Self who kept copious notes (apparently this is standard treatment protocol) - nowhere mentioning even a squeak about me, though lots about being a rent boy, abused (for money) by many men, and his enormous appetite for drugs and alcohol.

The only person he briefly had mentioned my name to, in a long list including others, was a very old lady, who Surrey Police had lined up as a witness in 2001 (never needed, as his claims were ordered abandoned even then).

However, desperate to protect their reputation, Surrey Police tried to resurrect his claims in 2018 and HHJ Taylor, deliberately misinformed, allowed it - to begin with. Until she found out she'd been lied to (read her ruling).

Surrey Police had listed the woman as a witness coming to Southwark at my trial in 2018. However, being not only corrupt, vindictive and deliberately dishonest but incompetent, it turned out (in court - to the horror of the prosecution QC, the appalling Cottage) nobody had even ascertained whether the woman was still alive (in her late 80s or even 90s by now) and nobody had even tried to make contact with her.

The trial was halted whilst the useless cop dashed down to the distant West Country to see if she was still breathing and prepared to give evidence.

By now I could feel the Judge, Jury and entire court were turning against the prosecution.

The initial liar, incidentally, had suffered a series of near terminal strokes in 2007, as a direct result of his lunacy (having acquired Alan McGee as a supporter - all this is online) and could neither hear, speak nor move and was declared unable to attend court, even via video. I found it amazing he'd been allowed to be returned to the list (but am now delighted he was, as all this and much more emerged, not only making the Jury declare me Not Guilty of his claims but exposing Mark Williams Thomas to scrutiny and causing the trial to collapse). Karma.

He, of course, had only got involved, starting all this, 18 years ago, by going to Max Clifford and being told by Max that his story (still, then, not including me) needed a celebrity name added to it to be worth media cash. Thanks, Max. Karma.

And then spent hours and hours alone (though his wife may also have been involved in the plot) with Mark Williams Thomas, concocting a list including Jimmy Savile, Cliff Richard, Gambo and others. Karma.

Watch it unravel in 2019.
 
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#184607
Jo

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Blimey. What a sly customer he is. I hope this information reaches the newspapers.
 
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#184608
Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I think they are all well aware, Jo, and more and more Editors are starting to see this is one hell of a good story!
 
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#184617
wyot

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
All truly troubling...what also depresses me is how all this will effect genuine victims coming forward and being believed. I sincerely hope for prosecutions against anyone who has deliberately attempted or achieved the undermining of our criminal justice system. And the response against those who have needs to be emphatic.
 
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#184622
Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
I think they are all well aware, Jo, and more and more Editors are starting to see this is one hell of a good story!

I am a bit concerned that making it public will give him, and his acolytes, a heads up?
 
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#184640
Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Fair point Honey but believe me, nothing gets published here that is not already known and in public domain. I think MWT's hysterical removal of so many of his Tweets and posts illustrates how nervous he is about the truth emerging. I'm told he has been advised by many of his contacts - now, mysteriously, not taking his calls.
 
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#184649
hedda

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
JK2006 wrote:
[quote]I think they are all well aware, Jo, and more and more Editors are starting to see this is one hell of a good story![/b]quote

as we all now know (well you should as I've said it so many times ) the media giveth with one hand and taketh with the other.

a reason I've always been wary of them whilst partaking from time to time.

Personally, I would be ruthless as to some of the characters who have enabled and caused so much misery and outright fraud and illegality.

Times change and things move on. Once the rotten sociopath detectives who stitched up alleged (but innocent) Irish bombers slept safely in their beds even when exposed as liars and frauds and perverters of justice.

Now I think the mood has changed. You only have to read the comments sections on all tabloids..the general public no longer trust their police. The media picks up on this mood.

It is time for revenge..not for revenge's sake but so others do not go through this in the future.

Times change and when they do it's swift as can be seen here in this snap of the Great Rupert Murdoch reading 'Utopia For Realists' (so delighted my local library has it and will pick it up tomorrow)..described as a formular for how society can be Utopia with everyone getting a social wage & only work 15 hours a week....I've been advocating this for 40 years and now Rupert is on board (or is he planning to scupper the whole idea?? )
 
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#184650
Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I've got shorts like that! Question - is Rupert now my fashion stalker?
 
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#184658
Jo

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
He still seems to be doing his best to present himself as a thoroughly good and decent chap.

"One thing that I want to do this year is volunteer to go and just sit and talk to patients at @RoyalSurrey who are lonely , or would just like a chat ."
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1080181873958113280

"2019 will see me continuing to do what I do by using my media profile to shine light in the darkest of corners. Am currently focused on three unsolved murder investigations - as well as a different exciting project."
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1079874443709685760

"Has been a difficult end to 2018 with a small number of haters & my health. ‘Love me’ or ‘hate me’ - I stand for justice- always going that extra mile - with a strong track record of exposing offenders & helping to bring criminals to justice."
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1079872244296437760
 
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#184659
Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Cunning but stupid.
 
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#184694
hedda

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Jo wrote:
He still seems to be doing his best to present himself as a thoroughly good and decent chap.

"One thing that I want to do this year is volunteer to go and just sit and talk to patients at @RoyalSurrey who are lonely , or would just like a chat ."
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1080181873958113280

"2019 will see me continuing to do what I do by using my media profile to shine light in the darkest of corners. Am currently focused on three unsolved murder investigations - as well as a different exciting project."
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1079874443709685760

"Has been a difficult end to 2018 with a small number of haters & my health. ‘Love me’ or ‘hate me’ - I stand for justice- always going that extra mile - with a strong track record of exposing offenders & helping to bring criminals to justice."
twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/1079872244296437760


so he's going to do what Jimmy Savile did?
 
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#184696
MWTW

Re:Let me tell you a story... 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Sorry Jo I missed you had put the tweets up and added them to a new thread.
 
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