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Re:Welcome back theatres 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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That nonexistent disease - trivial and stupid - is absolutely nothing to worry about
Wave 2 will be even less aggressive than the one we're not having now. Media and madmen cause everything.
Even though about 600k are dead, in less than 6 months - and no cure is imminent...
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Re:Welcome back theatres 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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Yes, I confess to an irony attempt - but simply fail to comprehend how coronavirus could be classed as trivial, by intelligent people.
When 600,000 have died in 6 months - and 7 million have been infected in just 3 countries: Brazil, India and USA.
Record new infections (c250,000) occurred yesterday - and the WHO say this will get worse. With no vaccine likely for 12/18 months.
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Re:Welcome back theatres 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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Read this slowly Barney. Word by word. Covid19 is a trivial virus for most who catch it. 95% - some say 99% - have mild or no symptoms at all. 95% - some say 99% - either don't even know they have got it or get over it (as I think I did) after 4-5 days of bed rest, liquids and paracetamol.
Keep reading - slowly, so as to get every word - the amount of people dying is tiny compared to many other reasons. More than that - the amount of people dying FROM it is even more minuscule. It tends to make the elderly & other vulnerables prone to getting other illnesses. Pneumonia being the main problem. You can get pneumonia in various ways. If you were to remove pneumonia deaths from the "list", also deduct "old age", heart problems, strokes and other cause, some of which may have been provoked by Covid 19; most of which won't have been; you are left with so few deaths in the greater scheme of things that it's hardly worth noticing.
To which MEDIA says "every death is worth..." and more bollocks, truisms and platitudes that gullibles like you believe and repeat.
So, again. Millions die each year from cancer. Millions die each year from road accidents. Millions die each year from heart failure. Millions die each year from Sepsis. Thousands die from Flu or Cold related illnesses. Thousands die from Covid 19 related illnesses. It needs sorting out; treatment, vaccine.
But it doesn't need Governments, backed by the gullibles falling for media hype, over reacting and killing millions by panic responses.
Got that? Not too complex for you? A trivial virus for the vast majority should not be inflated into a global plague. The Emperor has no clothes on.
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Re:Welcome back theatres 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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wyot wrote:
and will have led to more harm and deaths than it has prevented.
But meanwhile serious outcomes to the panicdemic are evident and growing daily.
1. Irony/sarcasm is one thing - bland and unproven assertions are another!
2. Contrastingly - this is blatantly accurate and deeply worrying.
Many of us take media reports on the coronavirus with a pich of salt - but to ignore those of the WHO, would be foolhardy in the extreme.
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Re:Welcome back theatres 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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Right. The government conspiracy that no government wanted...
No government has come out on top with this. All have lost out. Each country has lost thousands upon thousands of tax paying businesses and employee's that they will now need to support as we rebuild.
When global governments who didn't want lockdown need to lock down due to high death rates in a condensed period,however lacklustre those actions are, that speaks louder than anything.
We must remember the figures we now reel off about the number of deaths has the added luxury of being lower than it would have if the world carried on regardless, due to the measures taken that ultimately saved many thousands, if not millions, of lives.
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Re:Welcome back theatres 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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You are entitled to your opinion SF as are we. Hindsight is not a luxury. Intelligent hindsight looks at the past and sees the flaws in behaviour. I am personally absolutely convinced the media knowingly hyped the Wuhan epidemic because they always do; every good story is automatically inflated. Likewise everybody fell for the hype to some degree or other. Even I bought an expensive efficient face mask and cans of oxygen (portable) for my bedside. This seemed to be a virus particularly lethal to both the elderly and diabetics and I fitted into both categories.
But I always suspected the reality was far different to the image. Covid19 seemed to be far more infectious than the common cold or flu. But equally far less lethal although it had other aspects not immediately apparent (and only recently starting to be found - the problem with instant gratification, especially when followed by governments).
How to deal with it is a secondary question. Total lockdown? Or concentrated protection and treatment? I favoured a combination of the two - if Lockdown happened immediately a case was seen entering a country, spread could be minimised. But security for care homes, hospitals, prisons and refugee camps were the urgent, immediate vital measures I thought. With equally urgent research into cures & treatment as well as a vaccine.
It appears lockdown too late didn't work at all. As proven in hindsight by the Death Four (or 5) figures compared to everywhere else.
But even where instant lockdown occurred the lethal nature was small. Compared to other causes of death, historical figures tell us this is not generally a deadly virus. Indeed, for most it is a trivial virus.
Media continued to inflate, making the few thousand deaths seem more significant than they were. Governments - totally obedient to media - went along with them; passing laws, clamping down, unthinking of consequences, grabbing the instant gratification of panic.
Experts, knowing nothing, screamed Stop The Spread. As with colds and flu, this is and always was impossible. Just watch the countries with minimal infections like New Zealand, Greece, South Korea.
And just like flu (I suspect seasonal - the Southern Hemisphere is now discovering Covid19 as the winter sets in), it is here to stay, with virtually no or mild symptoms for 99%. And just like flu, they will eventually find a vaccine. And just like flu, another virus will come along in a few years. And just like flu, sadly those of us growing older (how DARE I grow old?) will suffer far worse than the young.
Our bodies are less able to deal with new things (what the fuck is the Internet?). But we also gain wisdom and those of us who can see how media works know exactly what has happened. Sadly the majority, obeying media rules, do not have that ability. They are gullible sheep, God bless them, as they wander towards the slaughterhouse.
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Re:Welcome back theatres 3 Years, 9 Months ago
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Wrong way around BB - the story was created before the facts. I have no agenda. I love the media - have been a part of it for 60 years. I know it well; both traditional and social. I reverse the criticism. No conspiracy here. You've been brainwashed. Not for any theoretical reason. No big corporations or big brothers. Simply media exaggerating to make a better story (it's in its nature) and most people - sadly including most governments - obeying the instructions given, were the media image correct.
Why lockdown? Because, if this IS a lethal plague, dangerous to millions, as Ebola would be if it was more infectious, we need to try to Stop The Spread.
I agree with that. I just don't agree with the estimate of the virus. And slowly, as facts surfaces, neither do "the experts". Not any longer.
They see so few deaths (inflated by media in quantity & importance) and are beginning to realise - this is NOT a deadly virus for the majority.
So you disagree with me. Fair enough. You agree with media coverage. Fair enough. You know that there are 10 million cancer deaths a year yet you think Covid19 is a far more dangerous disease, requiring far more autocratic remedies. Fair enough. When I suggest banning smoking would have saved far more lives than Covid lockdowns with far less disruption to society, you disagree. Fair enough. When I point out that Covid19 seems to be ten times less lethal than cancer, you disagree. Fair enough.
But don't describe an "agenda" when there is none. Don't call me a conspiracy theorist when I'm not.
You believe. I don't. I've provided my reasons. Now you explain why I'm wrong. And feel free to continue to vote for those you think have got it dead right (DEAD being the operative word looking at the deaths caused by the Death Four government actions). Clap for the NHS despite the 45,000 deaths in the UK. Obey media instructions and dismiss alternative views as "agendas" or "conspiracy theories". You think I'm mad. I think you're gullible.
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