Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre claims she was made to have sex with mystery prince

The media just can't get enough of this woman and her stories. She seems already to have been interviewed by the BBC, NBC, CBS, Australia's 60 Minutes and probably even more in due course.

Take her Prince Andrew allegations. I don't understand why so many people seem so ready to believe them. Signs that she's embroidering her story are in the photo and in her multifarious interviews. She told Australia's 60 Minutes (YouTube: "Exposing Jeffrey Epstein's international sex trafficking ring") that she felt "absolutely disgusted" when Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly told her on the alleged car trip back to her house from the alleged vist to Tramp nightclub that she'd have to do for Prince Andrew what she did for Jeffrey Epstein, suggesting something sexual. But she's smiling from ear to ear in the photo, with her arm round Prince Andrew and leaning into him. She doesn't look disgusted at all.

This scenario also presupposes that Prince Andrew would have been unable to ask her himself while dancing at Tramp, but had used Ghislaine Maxwell as a go-between in his sex life. In fact, any allegation that Jeffrey Epstein/Ghislaine Maxwell "ordered" her or anyone else to have sex with someone would presuppose that. It seems a decidedly odd way for someone to conduct their sex life.

She also told 60 Minutes, while holding the photo of herself and Prince Andrew, that it was of the "very first time" she met him. Yet she claimed that the photo was taken after she'd been dancing with him at Tramp, so closely that he'd supposedly been "raining" sweat on her, as she told the BBC, so she'd have already more than "met" him by the time she came back to Ghislaine Maxwell's house if the Tramp story was true.

The Daily Mirror quotes her as saying "All of us went upstairs and I asked Jeffrey to snap a picture of me with the Prince. I wanted something to show my mom." Yet she appears to have told the Miami Herald that she was a runaway (YouTube "How teen runaway Virginia Roberts became one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims"). As Sheba Bear has pointed out here, if she was a runaway, why would she have wanted a photo to show her mum? Aren't runaways usually estranged from whoever they've run away from? If she was actually in touch with her mum and letting her know where she was, why didn't she tell her that she was being "forced" to do things she didn't want to do and had been turned into a "sex slave" and ask her to help her escape?

She doesn't seem to have explained how she was "forced" to do things she didn't want to do or was turned into a "sex slave" and no-one in the media seems to have asked her how this worked. Was it comparable to what Islamic State did to the Yazidi girls and women, for example?

While she tearfully told 60 Minutes, standing in front of Epstein's New York house, that she didn't realise what kind of world she was being brought into, she also told them elsewhere that she was required to have sex with Jeffrey Epstein on the first occasion she gave him a massage, with Ghislaine Maxwell supposedly participating. The Miami Herald report also indicates that she claimed that her abuse by them started "immediately" and that they had given her sex "training" which had been "basically every day" and like "going to school". If that was the case and she knew from the start what they wanted from her, why didn't she just up and leave? Why didn't she run away from them if she had already, as she seems to have claimed, run away from home? She was apparently already loving her job at Mar-a-Lago, as she told CBS. Why give that up for something you don't want to do?

One thing that never seems to be mentioned in the interviews is how much she was paid and for what, how much she earned for bringing in other girls and how many she recruited. But perhaps those are far too sensitive questions for delicate hacks, especially if their media outlets are paying her too.

While I am all for healthy scepticism until evidence arrives, equally I could write a counter-narrative (using possible psychologies and motivations) to all the above speculation which depicts her as a genuine victim.

Where though does this get us? Why is it of interest? I get the media great story stuff but surely our best response is not to read this stuff if and until anything is actually known?

I don't. Bores the pants off me....

I think it's pretty important if it can land people in jail, possibly for the rest of their lives.

She has accused Alan Dershowitz too, who says her story about him is a complete invention and that he never met her. But if the media continues to promote her, who knows, maybe he'll end up in the dock too.

Alan Dershowitz names others accused by her in this video, and says "Nobody should be concerned about being accused by Virginia Giuffre. She does not understand the difference between truth and lies. Nothing she says about anybody should be believed. If there's evidence, if there's corroboration, then people should be concerned, but just based on her word, no. Nobody should believe a word she says. She has lied about everything. She has a history of lying and she continues to lie and she's a perjurer".

More, where he says that she should be tried for perjury based on her depositions in the same case on the basis of which Ghislaine Maxwell has been charged with perjury.

Yet another accusee: Heidi Klum. Giuffre claims having seen her on Epstein's private jet, a claim that Klum's lawyer says is "totally false".

Heidi Klum Denies Any Connection to Jeffrey Epstein, Wants “Justice to Prevail”

dreadful that this ghastly woman is called a "sex slave".

Slaves cannot walk out the door at any moment, travel on luxury jets and get $5000 for a weekend's work.

What an insult to the real indentured slaves of the world who work for a pittance just to surviv, manufacturing luxury items that these high priced hookers probably spend their money on in 5th Avenue boutiques.

Silence on that also from the fanatical @MeToo movement. Having treated Hollywood actresses on $20Million a flick as "victims" they ignore the millions of women worldwide who really are slaves.

I do not condemn people who work in prostitution but 17 is not a child (she confuses her age constantly)..80% of the world considers 16 as an adult and many countries 14-15.

But I keep saying- this woman is an Accident Waiting to Happen.

She now claims Epstein was setting up blackmail incidents.

She now claims she was paid $5000 to involve powerful men in compromising situations on Epstein's island.

She confesses to being part of a criminal conspiracy to blackmail powerful men (possibly for Mossad or the CIA)

She 's a fucking idiot. While powerful forces line up against Maxwell as they did Epstein equally powerful actors go the other way.

This woman (have no knowledge of the other complainants who sensibly keep quiet) stupidly boasts in the media that she is sitting beside a pool in a luxury resort (probably in QLD where a 5 star room is 50 bucks at present)..as she mocks and taunts Ghiselle Maxwell and boasts of her new PR consultant (who should be shot on the advice she must be dispensing)

She hasn't a frigging clue that she may soon be seen as as big a liability as Jeffrey Epstein

## and of course all her claims may eventually be shown to be bullshit.

I've just been having a look at her Twitter.

It's like a fan club.

hedda wrote:
dreadful that this ghastly woman is called a "sex slave".

Slaves cannot walk out the door at any moment, travel on luxury jets and get $5000 for a weekend's work.

What an insult to the real indentured slaves of the world who work for a pittance just to surviv, manufacturing luxury items that these high priced hookers probably spend their money on in 5th Avenue boutiques.

Silence on that also from the fanatical @MeToo movement. Having treated Hollywood actresses on $20Million a flick as "victims" they ignore the millions of women worldwide who really are slaves.

I do not condemn people who work in prostitution but 17 is not a child (she confuses her age constantly)..80% of the world considers 16 as an adult and many countries 14-15.

But I keep saying- this woman is an Accident Waiting to Happen.

She now claims Epstein was setting up blackmail incidents.

She now claims she was paid $5000 to involve powerful men in compromising situations on Epstein's island.

She confesses to being part of a criminal conspiracy to blackmail powerful men (possibly for Mossad or the CIA)

She 's a fucking idiot. While powerful forces line up against Maxwell as they did Epstein equally powerful actors go the other way.

This woman (have no knowledge of the other complainants who sensibly keep quiet) stupidly boasts in the media that she is sitting beside a pool in a luxury resort (probably in QLD where a 5 star room is 50 bucks at present)..as she mocks and taunts Ghiselle Maxwell and boasts of her new PR consultant (who should be shot on the advice she must be dispensing)

She hasn't a frigging clue that she may soon be seen as as big a liability as Jeffrey Epstein

## and of course all her claims may eventually be shown to be bullshit.

I cant think of a kind way to say it, but if you were going to pay a fortune to somebody to set your pals up, wouldn't you get somebody experienced in sexual matters and less plain?

Great post, hedda. You make excellent points. Interesting that she's been boasting about being in a luxury resort and taunting Ghislaine Maxwell. I've found a report about it:

Epstein 'sex slave' taunts Ghislaine Maxwell with stunning view of swimming pool

I had been wondering about her lifestyle. In her CBS interview (on YouTube), she seemed to be in a large modern living room, suggestive of a large modern house. Not necessarily her home, but I'd have thought it likely given the coronavirus situation. In the 60 Minutes programme (also on YouTube), they said she lives in north Queensland and she was seen standing at what appeared to be a long terrace overlooking trees, also walking with her husband along a beach, and riding a horse with the interviewer riding another alongside her. It looked as if they aren't short of money. Not sure if this would be the same place, maybe it is:

How Jeffrey Epstein's 'sex slave' Virginia Roberts hides from the world behind 4-metre walls, security cameras and bush – as she prepares to unload on Prince Andrew with the 'biggest news story in the world'

Sheba, have just looked at her Twitter page and she's saying "I’ve had my DM page blown up by journalists. If you work in media or are a journalist, podcaster, radio host, speaking engagement director ect please contact Dini". She describes Dini in another Tweet as her "new PR".

Honey, I'd been wondering the same, but didn't like to say. But I can guess what her answer would be: something about having special skills, that again you'd just have to take her word for.

She was first catapulted into the limelight in early 2011, following the publication in December 2010 of the picture of Epstein and Prince Andrew walking in the Park. What cheek she had during last December's Panorama interview asking the British public to ‘stand beside her’, the subtle context being that no one should dare question her. 10 years from now she’ll probably be tweeting about how she had been set up and ‘groomed’ by journalists.

www.standard.co.uk/news/prince-andrews-t...ionaire-6572004.html

Interesting to see that article from 2011. I think you're spot on with what she meant by asking the British public to stand by her, md.

Will just post this here so that it's all in one thread. The taunting/mocking tweet hedda refers to, captured in The Sun and the NY Post. She seems to have deleted it. PR rep at work?



www.the-sun.com/news/1241520/epstein-sex...ell-poolside-selfie/

nypost.com/2020/08/02/virginia-giuffre-t...with-poolside-tweet/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/epstein-se...s-ghislaine-22456069

Jo wrote:
Interesting to see that article from 2011. I think you're spot on with what she meant by asking the British public to stand by her, md.

Will just post this here so that it's all in one thread. The taunting/mocking tweet hedda refers to, captured in The Sun and the NY Post. She seems to have deleted it. PR rep at work?



www.the-sun.com/news/1241520/epstein-sex...ell-poolside-selfie/

nypost.com/2020/08/02/virginia-giuffre-t...with-poolside-tweet/

www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/epstein-se...s-ghislaine-22456069


What a spiteful girl. Did it occur to her that if she herself was groomed by Epstein that the same thing might have happened to Ghislaine Maxwell?

No? I wonder why.