This website seems to have been deleted: www.rolfharrisisinnocent.com/

It's still available on the Wayback Machine, but for how long, who knows.

It was a brilliant site, featuring lots of interesting observations, analysis and impressive amateur detective work. The site's creator even went to the trouble of visiting the pub where one of Rolf Harris's accusers claimed she'd been assaulted. The photographs, measurements, etc. taken during the visit and subsequent analysis really helped show how absurd the claims were.

The site's creator, or someone connected to the site, is on Twitter:

twitter.com/anne_pyke

I'm not on Twitter but if any of you feel like asking her, it would be interesting to know why the site has been removed.

The site is back.
I took it down because it hadn’t received any views for a long time and seemed to be obsolete.
I thought better of it and it’s been reloaded and won’t be taken down again.

Anne xx

I just tried the website link and it is still working. Maybe it was taken down temporarily for maintenance, or something.

Great arguments; but fails to mention or I have missed it that pubs do go through a lot changes especially decor. I have never seen a tablecloth in a pub unless The Queens Arms was a bistro back then ? However most function rooms have tablecloths and of course have wider legroom under the table.

I have lost count how many times I have helped set out a function room, some celebrities but mostly reunions and for very boring businessmen in suits. “This is a nice place, isn’t Rupert ? You’ve picked swell hope it wasn’t too much for the company.”

Green Man wrote:
Great arguments; but fails to mention or I have missed it that pubs do go through a lot changes especially decor. I have never seen a tablecloth in a pub unless The Queens Arms was a bistro back then ? However most function rooms have tablecloths and of course have wider legroom under the table.

I have lost count how many times I have helped set out a function room, some celebrities but mostly reunions and for very boring businessmen in suits. “This is a nice place, isn’t Rupert ? You’ve picked swell hope it wasn’t too much for the company.”

I haven't re-checked, but I think the problem was that the witness was describing him being in an area by the toilets which didn't exist at the time, and had been created since, which you would imagine would cast doubt on how truthful the witness was, but apparently not.

Anne Pyke wrote:
The site is back.
I took it down because it hadn’t received any views for a long time and seemed to be obsolete.
I thought better of it and it’s been reloaded and won’t be taken down again.

Anne xx
Great that you've put it back up. Thank you!

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Great arguments; but fails to mention or I have missed it that pubs do go through a lot changes especially decor. I have never seen a tablecloth in a pub unless The Queens Arms was a bistro back then ? However most function rooms have tablecloths and of course have wider legroom under the table.

I have lost count how many times I have helped set out a function room, some celebrities but mostly reunions and for very boring businessmen in suits. “This is a nice place, isn’t Rupert ? You’ve picked swell hope it wasn’t too much for the company.”

I haven't re-checked, but I think the problem was that the witness was describing him being in an area by the toilets which didn't exist at the time, and had been created since, which you would imagine would cast doubt on how truthful the witness was, but apparently not.

It’s a grey area. When I was a landlord I took out an ancient pinball table and replaced it with tables and chairs. The new seating area was then called by the regulars “Where the pinball table was”.

The alcove was a table and chairs for some people but a place for a pinball table for others.

Green Man wrote:
Great arguments; but fails to mention or I have missed it that pubs do go through a lot changes especially decor. I have never seen a tablecloth in a pub unless The Queens Arms was a bistro back then ? However most function rooms have tablecloths and of course have wider legroom under the table.
Good point, Green Man. But it sounds as if that part of Tonya Lee's story was set in the bar.

"I remember the old-fashioned pub – not dingy, but worn and old. It had a sort of homely feel with crimson wallpaper and tables with bench seats." It was on one of these bench seats that Tonya recalls the moment that would change the course of her life.

www.rolfharrisisinnocent.com/uploads/2/8...895001/article_1.pdf

Interviewer: And no-one else in the room, in the pub, could see what was going on?

Tonya Lee: No. There was a tablecloth on the table so I think that was dangling down, so, you know, like you couldn’t see straight through into the table, and I just got up and th – thought I’d better – I was gonna get out of here, so I went to the toilet.

www.facebook.com/1503049216593977/photos.../?type=1&theater

Honey wrote:
I haven't re-checked, but I think the problem was that the witness was describing him being in an area by the toilets which didn't exist at the time, and had been created since, which you would imagine would cast doubt on how truthful the witness was, but apparently not.
"It is clear that the pub is unchanged and a check with the local planning office confirmed that the ground floor had never been changed since the time of the alleged incidents."

www.rolfharrisisinnocent.com/the-alleged-pub-assaults.html

Regarding the reference to the table cloth, my impression when watching the interview (which is still on YouTube "A Current Affair ROLF HARRIS SEXUAL ABUSE VICTIM's Interview - 13 May 2013" and is also available to watch on Anne's site on the above link) was that Tonya Lee improvised the table cloth to explain why she knew that no-one saw what was supposedly happening.

It's shocking that the police overlooked doing this vital forensic work themselves before sending their report to the CPS. The only evidence presented in court was circumstantial claimant and character witness statements.

Judging from a search for "Tonya Lee" Rolf tablecloth none of the reports about the trial - as opposed to her pretrial paid TV interview - mention a tablecloth. Rather it seems she'd claimed in court that Rolf's had had been concealed by the table.

"She was feeling very uncomfortable and ‘‘started to panic’’ wondering how she could get out of the situation but Harris was still joking and laughing with her and other dinner guests, his actions hidden by the table, Ms Lee said."

www.smh.com.au/national/rolf-harris-vict...-20140701-zsso0.html

"...15 year old girl sitting astride his lap with his hand concealed by a table..."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rolf-harris-g...-his-lap-n3hdfmcpwfz

The idea of sitting astride his lap is one of the numerous points in common with Jimmy Savile's great niece Caroline Robinson's story about Jimmy Savile, told to This Morning and published straight to YouTube seven months before Tonya Lee did her paid media interviews, the TV one also going straight to YouTube, about Rolf Harris. The idea that a 15 year-old would agree to sit on a stranger's lap is odd enough, the idea of sitting astride should surely have given the jury pause. But of course they weren't told about the parallels with the Caroline Robinson story.

Jo wrote:
Judging from a search for "Tonya Lee" Rolf tablecloth none of the reports about the trial - as opposed to her pretrial paid TV interview - mention a tablecloth. Rather it seems she'd claimed in court that Rolf's had had been concealed by the table.

"She was feeling very uncomfortable and ‘‘started to panic’’ wondering how she could get out of the situation but Harris was still joking and laughing with her and other dinner guests, his actions hidden by the table, Ms Lee said."

www.smh.com.au/national/rolf-harris-vict...-20140701-zsso0.html

"...15 year old girl sitting astride his lap with his hand concealed by a table..."

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rolf-harris-g...-his-lap-n3hdfmcpwfz

The idea of sitting astride his lap is one of the numerous points in common with Jimmy Savile's great niece Caroline Robinson's story about Jimmy Savile, told to This Morning and published straight to YouTube seven months before Tonya Lee did her paid media interviews, the TV one also going straight to YouTube, about Rolf Harris. The idea that a 15 year-old would agree to sit on a stranger's lap is odd enough, the idea of sitting astride should surely have given the jury pause. But of course they weren't told about the parallels with the Caroline Robinson story.

Someone would have asked them what the hell was going on.

I have seen many, many of women sitting "astride" on laps in my time. I have witnessed them guiding their partners hand up their skirts. Some people do get very amorous after a few drinks.

I have seen men trying to finger their girlfriend's under the table. It's amazing what you see in pubs behind the bar.

Another thing also some bars and pubs have sitting booths and some had partitions especially before the smoking ban.

Green Man wrote:
I have seen many, many of women sitting "astride" on laps in my time. I have witnessed them guiding their partners hand up their skirts. Some people do get very amorous after a few drinks.

I have seen men trying to finger their girlfriend's under the table. It's amazing what you see in pubs behind the bar.

Another thing also some bars and pubs have sitting booths and some had partitions especially before the smoking ban.

But a married TV presenter and a young girl? This wasn't in a booth. It was in full view of people traipsing past.

We have got outdoor booths for pubs now, which is lovely.

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
I have seen many, many of women sitting "astride" on laps in my time. I have witnessed them guiding their partners hand up their skirts. Some people do get very amorous after a few drinks.

I have seen men trying to finger their girlfriend's under the table. It's amazing what you see in pubs behind the bar.

Another thing also some bars and pubs have sitting booths and some had partitions especially before the smoking ban.

But a married TV presenter and a young girl? This wasn't in a booth. It was in full view of people traipsing past.

We have got outdoor booths for pubs now, which is lovely.

As I said Honey I don't know the pub, I have seen foreplay and dry humping etc in full view in pubs and clubs.

Honey wrote:
But a married TV presenter and a young girl? This wasn't in a booth. It was in full view of people traipsing past.
Exactly. They weren't a couple, she was under age and Rolf Harris was a stranger. I think she lifted this idea straight from the Caroline Robinson interview: invited to sit on lap, wearing a skirt, sitting astride, felt him moving around, was groped, got scared, went to the toilet. Both stories are identical.

Forgot another element: in a room of other people who didn't notice.

Jo wrote:
Forgot another element: in a room of other people who didn't notice.

They probably did and didn't care.

Green Man wrote:dont
Jo wrote:
Forgot another element: in a room of other people who didn't notice.

They probably did and didn't care.

But people generally do care, and in a crowded pub/party/ concert/whatever, you would not be surrounded by nutters that think it is ok. SOMEONE would simply say "I don't think she likes that, Rolf, and get the girl a chair, or ask them to help in the kitchen or something.
It is ridiculous to suggest an entire room of people would take no notice of a prime time performer groping a teenager.

If they had noticed, they'd surely have been called as witnesses.