Does he not realise that an effectivly terrorised populace won't give a flying shit if the PM broke some lobbying rules to get ventilators to the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56832486

They will see him as Churchill! What a moron...

Yes!Yes!Yes! He is king of all idiots.

He's awful; but then I liked Corbyn and MacDonald. What do I know?

He's always apologising and bowing down, ultra carefull about offending the woke middle classes. Taking a selfie whilst taking the knee was ridiculous, apologising for the sins of his forefathers. He never stands his ground and is a weak leader.
When will he realise that the red wall former labour supporters don't give a toss about identity politics and just want to be listened to, not told that they are too stupid or don't know what they are doing (re:brexit). Labour should be questioning why we are releasing from lockdown too early. Couldn't shops have opened weeks ago. What are the chances of catching covid by walking past someone momentarily in a shop whilst wearing masks.

robbiex wrote:
He's always apologising and bowing down, ultra carefull about offending the woke middle classes. Taking a selfie whilst taking the knee was ridiculous, apologising for the sins of his forefathers. He never stands his ground and is a weak leader.
When will he realise that the red wall former labour supporters don't give a toss about identity politics and just want to be listened to, not told that they are too stupid or don't know what they are doing (re:brexit). Labour should be questioning why we are releasing from lockdown too early. Couldn't shops have opened weeks ago. What are the chances of catching covid by walking past someone momentarily in a shop whilst wearing masks.

Exactly the same chance as not wearing masks.

They are all idiots people who vote for them are bigger idiots.

We don't have an opposition we have an echo that occassionally hints that somehow it would splash even more fantasy money about. He should be stripped of his knighthood for having made Her Maj's opposition a theory only for a year.

He didn't need to be a lockdown sceptic like me to provide opposition; he just should have asked the questions and demanded harder evidence & transparancy about the basis of the Gov restrictions and how it was coming to its decisions. Failure to do so was a failure of job role he mistook for national unity and future votes.

Honey wrote:
robbiex wrote:
He's always apologising and bowing down, ultra carefull about offending the woke middle classes. Taking a selfie whilst taking the knee was ridiculous, apologising for the sins of his forefathers. He never stands his ground and is a weak leader.
When will he realise that the red wall former labour supporters don't give a toss about identity politics and just want to be listened to, not told that they are too stupid or don't know what they are doing (re:brexit). Labour should be questioning why we are releasing from lockdown too early. Couldn't shops have opened weeks ago. What are the chances of catching covid by walking past someone momentarily in a shop whilst wearing masks.

Exactly the same chance as not wearing masks.

Not really, masks help prevent droplets containing the virus been sprayed around. At the start of the pandemic they said that there is no point in wearing masks because we were already having to socially distance 2m from each other. Beyond 2m they don't offer any further protection, but when hospitality opened and shops needed to allow more people in, the rule of 1m+ mitigation was brought in (i.e.1m+ a mask, or side by side, or outside). Surgeons wear masks. They don't wear them for fun.

Brilliant GM. There has never been any evidence for masks (common sense guv 'innit...) and in fact their effectiveness in surgery is highly contested as well:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/

If they do offer protection for surgeons/patients - and it is a big if - this would be through droplet dispersal downwards not outwards as an aerosol - as Covid spreads, i.e the surgeon has his face close to open bodies and droplets could conceivably fall into the open wound.

Unless you are chatting to an unmasked midget who is pressed against your body staring upwards with an open mouth, masks do f-all to protect against Covid for either party.

I do talk to midgets this way on ocassion; but always wear a mask.

* nothing in this piece is meant to be derogatory to any person of any height and is used only in a scientific spirit...*

robbiex wrote:
Honey wrote:
robbiex wrote:
He's always apologising and bowing down, ultra carefull about offending the woke middle classes. Taking a selfie whilst taking the knee was ridiculous, apologising for the sins of his forefathers. He never stands his ground and is a weak leader.
When will he realise that the red wall former labour supporters don't give a toss about identity politics and just want to be listened to, not told that they are too stupid or don't know what they are doing (re:brexit). Labour should be questioning why we are releasing from lockdown too early. Couldn't shops have opened weeks ago. What are the chances of catching covid by walking past someone momentarily in a shop whilst wearing masks.

Exactly the same chance as not wearing masks.

Not really, masks help prevent droplets containing the virus been sprayed around. At the start of the pandemic they said that there is no point in wearing masks because we were already having to socially distance 2m from each other. Beyond 2m they don't offer any further protection, but when hospitality opened and shops needed to allow more people in, the rule of 1m+ mitigation was brought in (i.e.1m+ a mask, or side by side, or outside). Surgeons wear masks. They don't wear them for fun.

I should have been clear.
FFP3/N95 properly fitted and sealed by someone trained to do so are very effective indeed.
I have had this type since the beginning.
This is not what most people have.

Surgeons masks are actually just to stop them spitting into your open wound during surgery. They are not designed to stop covid.
Nothing with ear fastenings stop the virus. Nothing with gaps around the edges. Nothing with holes bigger than the virus (That's almost everything) will work.
The very minimal protection is cancelled out by all the face touching and cross contamination.

I am absolutely in favour of masks that do the job, but the
bit of old sock dangling miserably over your ears is no use at all, and it is outrageous that the public are led to believe that they are much help.

When someone gobs big droplets at you, the mask might catch some, (ugh) but the aerosol virus particles will be going straight through.

Green Man wrote:



Can you get Tubs to have a go at this?

Actually, the mask man fails to point out that some have two-way filters.

Honey wrote:
Actually, the mask man fails to point out that some have two-way filters.

I’m no stranger to face sitters Honey.

Sadly Tubs don’t smoke anymore more, so he can do the smoking mask experiment. I don’t see how having a two way filter can stop droplets 100% ? Everything is a risk like using public transport, gardening, driving or even walking. What stopping someone attacking someone behind whose walking to the shops minding their own business? A mask won’t stop a car crash or even heart attack whilst gardening, unless Covid is clever.

In 1990 they said the world would be over 2000 and I’m still waiting for acid rain to burn my clothes and change the colour of my land. I’m bored with green grass.

Green Man wrote:
Honey wrote:
Actually, the mask man fails to point out that some have two-way filters.

I’m no stranger to face sitters Honey.

Sadly Tubs don’t smoke anymore more, so he can do the smoking mask experiment. I don’t see how having a two way filter can stop droplets 100% ? Everything is a risk like using public transport, gardening, driving or even walking. What stopping someone attacking someone behind whose walking to the shops minding their own business? A mask won’t stop a car crash or even heart attack whilst gardening, unless Covid is clever.

In 1990 they said the world would be over 2000 and I’m still waiting for acid rain to burn my clothes and change the colour of my land. I’m bored with green grass.

Green grass is easily changed. Just get a girl dog.

Honey wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Honey wrote:
Actually, the mask man fails to point out that some have two-way filters.

I’m no stranger to face sitters Honey.

Sadly Tubs don’t smoke anymore more, so he can do the smoking mask experiment. I don’t see how having a two way filter can stop droplets 100% ? Everything is a risk like using public transport, gardening, driving or even walking. What stopping someone attacking someone behind whose walking to the shops minding their own business? A mask won’t stop a car crash or even heart attack whilst gardening, unless Covid is clever.

In 1990 they said the world would be over 2000 and I’m still waiting for acid rain to burn my clothes and change the colour of my land. I’m bored with green grass.

Green grass is easily changed. Just get a girl dog.

I have 2 dogs.,