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TOPIC: Brexit & Trade £17 billion
#214907
Wyot

Brexit & Trade £17 billion 1 Month ago  
UK £17 billion down in 3 months...

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexi...three-months-300061/

Not to mention all the problems caused by labour shortages.

I am still trying to keep a balanced, open mind and identify one single benefit from Brexit?

I asked the same question on here a while back; no takers.

Anyone? Seriously, there must be at least one surely?
 
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#214910
Green Man

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 1 Month ago  
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.

Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.

The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.

Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.

If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.
 
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#214912
robbiex

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 1 Month ago  
Wyot wrote:
UK £17 billion down in 3 months...

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexi...three-months-300061/

Not to mention all the problems caused by labour shortages.

I am still trying to keep a balanced, open mind and identify one single benefit from Brexit?

I asked the same question on here a while back; no takers.

Anyone? Seriously, there must be at least one surely?


A benefit of Brexit, and in particular free movement is that wages aren't pushed down by cheap foreign labour. Immigration was 300,000 a year. This is not sustainable, it leads to the NHS been overwhelmed, housing shortages, congestion, and lower wages. I don't believe that the tories will do much to prevent immigration because they support big business who like to keep wages down. Also we were able to create our own vaccine programme, well ahead of the eu programme. I supported remain mainly to avoid tariffs and knowing that the tories (and probably labour) would still keep immigration high.
 
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#214918
Wyot

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 1 Month ago  
robbiex wrote:
Wyot wrote:
UK £17 billion down in 3 months...

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexi...three-months-300061/

Not to mention all the problems caused by labour shortages.

I am still trying to keep a balanced, open mind and identify one single benefit from Brexit?

I asked the same question on here a while back; no takers.

Anyone? Seriously, there must be at least one surely?


A benefit of Brexit, and in particular free movement is that wages aren't pushed down by cheap foreign labour. Immigration was 300,000 a year. This is not sustainable, it leads to the NHS been overwhelmed, housing shortages, congestion, and lower wages. I don't believe that the tories will do much to prevent immigration because they support big business who like to keep wages down. Also we were able to create our own vaccine programme, well ahead of the eu programme. I supported remain mainly to avoid tariffs and knowing that the tories (and probably labour) would still keep immigration high.


You may be right Robbie that wages eventually increase due to a lack of foreign labour. However in a global trading world I wonder whether it will ultimately lead to increased unemployment, more foreign out-sourcing & sky-high costs passed on to consumers...

Immigration is also a major source of skilled and unskilled labour worth billions to the economy as well as of course putting demand on resources. NHS strain could be mitigated by spending more on it rather than driving immigrants away...

However, I agree with you that no Gov was ever going to deliver on that. Ironic as I suspect it was the main attraction to a majority of Brexiteers.

There may in time prove benefits but I still can't clearly see a single, unchallengable one yet.
 
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#214922
robbiex

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 1 Month ago  
Green Man wrote:
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.

Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.

The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.

Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.

If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.


The way to solve labour problems is to pay workers a decent wage. Lorry drivers haven't had a pay rise in 20 years, until recently. They have been undercut by cheap foreign labour. Farms have no interest in employing British labour because they want to pay sub-minimum wages to foreign workers. They advertise jobs locally to meet legal requirements but make conditions so bad to discourage people that they end up getting visas for cheap foreign workers.
 
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#214923
Wyot

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 1 Month ago  
I think I need to up the incentive here. So, the first to post one unarguable benefit of Brexit will win 6 months of unabridged commentary pieces from me about the Covid situation emailed directly to your inbox...

Judge's decision is final.

Due to the anticipated number of entrants I regret I will not be able to guarantee a response in all cases.

 
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#214931
Green Man

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 1 Month ago  
robbiex wrote:
Wyot wrote:
UK £17 billion down in 3 months...

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexi...three-months-300061/

Not to mention all the problems caused by labour shortages.

I am still trying to keep a balanced, open mind and identify one single benefit from Brexit?

I asked the same question on here a while back; no takers.

Anyone? Seriously, there must be at least one surely?


A benefit of Brexit, and in particular free movement is that wages aren't pushed down by cheap foreign labour. Immigration was 300,000 a year. This is not sustainable, it leads to the NHS been overwhelmed, housing shortages, congestion, and lower wages. I don't believe that the tories will do much to prevent immigration because they support big business who like to keep wages down. Also we were able to create our own vaccine programme, well ahead of the eu programme. I supported remain mainly to avoid tariffs and knowing that the tories (and probably labour) would still keep immigration high.


Free movement was great but know I realise all I did was rent an inflatable from toy shop, head out to see and then get picked by the Navy or some lifeboat; not forgetting the free blanket. It would of saved me a lot of money.
 
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#214934
Jo

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 4 Weeks, 1 Day ago  
robbiex wrote:
A benefit of Brexit, and in particular free movement is that wages aren't pushed down by cheap foreign labour. Immigration was 300,000 a year. This is not sustainable, it leads to the NHS been overwhelmed, housing shortages, congestion, and lower wages. I don't believe that the tories will do much to prevent immigration because they support big business who like to keep wages down. Also we were able to create our own vaccine programme, well ahead of the eu programme. I supported remain mainly to avoid tariffs and knowing that the tories (and probably labour) would still keep immigration high.
"The EU-born made up 5.5% of the total UK population of 66 million in 2019, while non-EU born people made up 8.9%"
migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/...-to-and-from-the-uk/

I find it hard to believe that the NHS would be overwhelmed primarily because of 5.5% of the population, probably largely people of working age, when there will inevitably be many more Brits every year, especially elderly Brits, using it. Likewise, who's to say that housing shortages are caused by 5.5% of the population? Or (traffic?) congestion? These arguments from Brexiteers seem absurd to me, and clearly tapping into xenophobia.
 
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#214949
'M'

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 4 Weeks, 1 Day ago  
There is no labour shortage in the UK only a large percentage of lazy ####'s on benefits watching daytime telly and in their words 'GRAFTING' = up to no good.
Heading towards 100k prisoners who at least 70% could do work.
Boat loads of workers arriving every day on the south coast, get em straight out in the fieldSpring picking veg ffs
 
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#214950
Green Man

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 4 Weeks, 1 Day ago  
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.

Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.

The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.

Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.

If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.


The way to solve labour problems is to pay workers a decent wage. Lorry drivers haven't had a pay rise in 20 years, until recently. They have been undercut by cheap foreign labour. Farms have no interest in employing British labour because they want to pay sub-minimum wages to foreign workers. They advertise jobs locally to meet legal requirements but make conditions so bad to discourage people that they end up getting visas for cheap foreign workers.


Also Robbie, farmers don't want people to moan working on a muddy wet field or working in hot weather, nor do they want to be asked about the next fag break.

Farmers like foreign workers because they do the work, some workers get lodgings which is taken from off the wages. It's like apple pickers in USA the jobs are filled by Mexicans or the old.
 
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#214959
Wyot

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 4 Weeks ago  
Well the one elusive benefit to Brexit is certainly not financial, it would seem. 4% off GDP is * cough * considerably more than the 50p per person the trade deals will bring in over 15 years...

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/b...ealand-b1952442.html

My search continues...
 
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#214961
robbiex

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 4 Weeks ago  
Green Man wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.

Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.

The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.

Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.

If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.


The way to solve labour problems is to pay workers a decent wage. Lorry drivers haven't had a pay rise in 20 years, until recently. They have been undercut by cheap foreign labour. Farms have no interest in employing British labour because they want to pay sub-minimum wages to foreign workers. They advertise jobs locally to meet legal requirements but make conditions so bad to discourage people that they end up getting visas for cheap foreign workers.


Also Robbie, farmers don't want people to moan working on a muddy wet field or working in hot weather, nor do they want to be asked about the next fag break.

Farmers like foreign workers because they do the work, some workers get lodgings which is taken from off the wages. It's like apple pickers in USA the jobs are filled by Mexicans or the old.


Also freedom of movement affects crime. Watching Crimewatch live or the Real CSI, it's staggering how many of the criminals are Eastern European. The proportion of muslims in prison compared to the general population
 
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#214964
robbiex

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 4 Weeks ago  
Green Man wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.

Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.

The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.

Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.

If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.


The way to solve labour problems is to pay workers a decent wage. Lorry drivers haven't had a pay rise in 20 years, until recently. They have been undercut by cheap foreign labour. Farms have no interest in employing British labour because they want to pay sub-minimum wages to foreign workers. They advertise jobs locally to meet legal requirements but make conditions so bad to discourage people that they end up getting visas for cheap foreign workers.


Also Robbie, farmers don't want people to moan working on a muddy wet field or working in hot weather, nor do they want to be asked about the next fag break.

Farmers like foreign workers because they do the work, some workers get lodgings which is taken from off the wages. It's like apple pickers in USA the jobs are filled by Mexicans or the old.


Yes, they do the work for a sub-minimum wage, don't grass up their employers because their English isn't good enough. British workers have applied for fruit picking jobs, but they don't even get a reply, because they are too savvy to go along with Farmer's exploitative employment methods. Unemployment is at a very low rate at the moment, the idea that there are millions at home watching daytime tv and living it up on £75/week is ridiculous. Benefits street, and such like, represents a tiny proportion of the population.
 
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#214984
Green Man

Re:Brexit & Trade £17 billion 3 Weeks, 6 Days ago  
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
robbiex wrote:
Green Man wrote:
The labour shortage is because no one wants to work. My farming friends can only get foreign labour and they still kept on most of their original workforce despite of Brexit.

Lorry drivers are retiring and younger people don't want to do long hours for crap pay, not forgetting the red-tape involved in lorry driving. You can earn pretty much the wage stacking shelves in a supermarket.

The way to do solve the solve the labour shortage is to force the jobseekers on UC in to these manual jobs and only they can get to the place.

Yes some people do have problems with transport which can be issue with a lot of people. Not everyone has a car drive and live miles away to the nearest town which can be an issue for a lot people especially for employers.

If you don't problems with travel then DWP should get jobseekers working even if it's crop picking or turkey plucking.


The way to solve labour problems is to pay workers a decent wage. Lorry drivers haven't had a pay rise in 20 years, until recently. They have been undercut by cheap foreign labour. Farms have no interest in employing British labour because they want to pay sub-minimum wages to foreign workers. They advertise jobs locally to meet legal requirements but make conditions so bad to discourage people that they end up getting visas for cheap foreign workers.


Also Robbie, farmers don't want people to moan working on a muddy wet field or working in hot weather, nor do they want to be asked about the next fag break.

Farmers like foreign workers because they do the work, some workers get lodgings which is taken from off the wages. It's like apple pickers in USA the jobs are filled by Mexicans or the old.


Yes, they do the work for a sub-minimum wage, don't grass up their employers because their English isn't good enough. British workers have applied for fruit picking jobs, but they don't even get a reply, because they are too savvy to go along with Farmer's exploitative employment methods. Unemployment is at a very low rate at the moment, the idea that there are millions at home watching daytime tv and living it up on £75/week is ridiculous. Benefits street, and such like, represents a tiny proportion of the population.


I like to know the farmers whom you are contact with. My farming buddies rarely get an application from a British citizen(clues are the name on the forms or accent on the blower). When they tried to get British pickers they were unreliable, lazy and some turned up late then give crap excuses; so they stopped hiring.

When they got the foreign workers the pickers work like clockwork and they are paid the min wage but get bonuses twice a year especially at Christmas. Most employers they pain the wage but there's no exploitation, no cash in hand, no unpaid hours and they do get paid holidays.

In my old pub I had lots of unemployed spending their benefits on pints and filling their job search books just before they had to go to Jobcentre and then they come back to the pub for another pint after they finished.

You could tell they had no ambition to get a job, even I tried to get a job in my pub when I needed a kitchen porter, cleaner or even cook. I would get a "No thanks" in a reply. I'd actually paid a bit more than min wage because working in a pub is hard work.
 
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