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TOPIC: Party gate and Starmer
#234723
Wyot

Party gate and Starmer 10 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
An interesting detail (to me anyway!) now the report is out is that it is becoming clear that without Starmer's relentless and dull but lawyerly and precise questioning of Boris in the house about his parties, he may have got away with his lies not being exposed.

Yes, we wanted Starmer to concentrate on the big picture, stop playing politics with his opportunistic lockdown nonense, and be more interesting generally.

But he is playing a long, steady smart game politically, and will be in No 10 before we know it, perhaps in coalition with the Libs, but there. I would have preferred Corbyn but the longer he goes on the smarter Starmer is revealed politically.

I also think the country is too tired and anxious for more showmanship and Starmer will be in power two terms. Nothing that really matters will be different following this because Starmer might be a great lawyer but ge is no leader; but who sweats the details these days...
 
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#234811
Rick

Re:Party gate and Starmer 10 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
I don't see the party obsession as that much more than cynical politics. Starmer, like Biden, is almost entirely negative as a figure, simply waiting to be elected as 'the other one' rather than a positive leader.

And what depresses me about the whole wider partygate rants is this 'pound of flesh' attitude that's gripped popular consciousness. It's the naive, or cynical, idea that grief and suffering will be 'made better' by balancing it, as if on a set of scales, with someone else's artificially inflicted grief and suffering. 'No, no, my pain hasn't yet faded, please find some other ways of punishing the people I've nominated as the cause of it. Kill them? Maybe not - try maiming them first...'

Churchill would have been out the door within a year during the war for being 'caught' drinking Champagne and port while others had to make do with potato wine. I lost someone during lockdown and the sadness is still unbearable but the idea that hunting down any one in Number 10 who was snapped having a drink will 'help' me is ridiculous. Nothing will. It's childish politics.
 
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#234816
Green Man

Re:Party gate and Starmer 10 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Might as well have anarchy.

At the end of the day Starmer will only do what Bill Gates,WEF and the Rothchilds tell him to do.

 
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#234818
Graham Spice

Re:Party gate and Starmer 10 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Yes - all us socialists must stick together
 
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#234821
Green Man

Re:Party gate and Starmer 10 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
 
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#234822
Wyot

Re:Party gate and Starmer 10 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Rick wrote:


And what depresses me about the whole wider partygate rants is this 'pound of flesh' attitude that's gripped popular consciousness. It's the naive, or cynical, idea that grief and suffering will be 'made better' by balancing it, as if on a set of scales, with someone else's artificially inflicted grief and suffering.


I agree Rick. It is like we are in the grip of an orgy of reparation and revenge. We live as if we live in a perfectable world; and we try and perfect it through means of hatred and bile. It is too obvious to state that our world is not perfectable, and this approach will lead to catastrophe eventually.
 
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#234823
Green Man

Re:Party gate and Starmer 10 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Oh fuck off.

 
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#234827
hedda

Re:Party gate and Starmer 10 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Green Man wrote:
Might as well have anarchy.

At the end of the day Starmer will only do what Bill Gates,WEF and the Rothchilds tell him to do.



groomed as a pair of safe hands by the Establishment.
 
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#241222
Green Man

Re:Party gate and Starmer 2 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Interesting!

 
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