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Labour and any other party need to admit there is no land left to build on. Old derelict buildings could be converted into flats but it's costly and they need to meet numerous safety standards. Many closed-down office blokes have asbestos and are not soundproof.
Old shops will be used to be converted flats or bedsits; again it won't be cheap but there no other alternative the high streets are dead.
The hotels, that are being used to house the migrants will be bought from the hotel owners (at our expense) to be used as flats full-time. Remember 15 minutes cities!
I like hiking on green and brown belt land, you will see thousands of habitats thriving in moss and ancient trees. Why destroy any form of wildlife? There is countryside outside of London and any other city.
City/townie folk remind me of the residents of Long Island. They never leave their bubble, if you leave Long Island you are in NYC which is another concrete jungle.
Labour have to be careful who they tax, those you can afford to leave the country will leave the country. Many online companies are based offshore to avoid high taxes, I am sure many smaller companies could do the same.
Again if people oppose new builds the far left are going to call them "NIMBYS". MPs are going to be NIMBYs when they build near their homes.
I did move here because there is a lot of beautiful greenland but nearly all the fields are farmland. I do know a few farmers in Hampshire who are selling their land to building developers. There children have no plans to be farmers.
The new builds are not going to be for people on waiting lists, they are going to be for the migrants. Also the new builds are going to be rabbit hutches which will be cheaply built and probably without a back garden. If you are lucky it might be able to house a sausage roll.
There is nothing the government can do but house them, they have no idea who they are but they are here. Just wait until their bring their wife/wives and their children. France will just wave off more boaties, no doubt the immigration in France is lower. There is less people filling in the Census so there is true number of the population of the UK is. Not forgetting there is about 2 generations in some homes.
If they want solar/wind farms they will need to buy more greenbelt. Labour will be changing England and the public will let them do it. I am sure the new estates will have a little playground which won't be used but just vandalised.
Good luck getting seeing a GP or be allocated a hospital bed.
There is no difference between new builds and the same houses we drew at 4 years old, apart from the chimney stack and the curly smoke coming out.
I do drive by the new builds across the county. They all look the same, not many have a front lawn, or shared parking spaces in some cases. Houses overlooking top bedrooms windows and small fences short back fences.
These are not cheap but the government and council call them affordable homes. Land can go for sale up to 20 to 60K in some areas, especially in Reading, these will be bought up soon for shoeboxes. I doubt they can't even house a sausage roll.
Green Man wrote: There is no difference between new builds and the same houses we drew at 4 years old, apart from the chimney stack and the curly smoke coming out.
I do drive by the new builds across the county. They all look the same, not many have a front lawn, or shared parking spaces in some cases. Houses overlooking top bedrooms windows and small fences short back fences.
These are not cheap but the government and council call them affordable homes. Land can go for sale up to 20 to 60K in some areas, especially in Reading, these will be bought up soon for shoeboxes. I doubt they can't even house a sausage roll.
There is plenty of room if they use all the islands off the coast and the Falklands.
If the government insist on bringing boat slaves over, they could make them build their own colonies.
Available land is a real problem in the UK if people do not want to lose their green and pleasant pastures.
Immigrants aside, housing is a real problem everywhere. On paper I am rich with a one bedroom Bondi flat..a place my parents bought as frequent visitors as a holiday flat for $2000.
But I'd need a $million to buy in the outer suburbs with housing prices now the highest in the world.
God only knows how young people or immigrants actually survive today. I have great sympathy for them.
I still blame Margaret Thatcher for allowing council housing to be sold off and stopping councils replacing it.
There is one example in Oz though that is repeated everywhere by Asian immigrants..and that is often 3 generations living in one property which is regarded as very normal.
The inherent contradiction in what you argue GM is that if we are not to use more of England's green and pleasant land, then with an increasing population (and immigration is a drop in the ocean here), we have to build smaller and closer properties...
My maternal grandparents both worked "in service" (see downstairs staff at Downton Abbey) in Wiltshire. The cottage they lived in would probably be worth £2 million quid now.
Wyot wrote: The inherent contradiction in what you argue GM is that if we are not to use more of England's green and pleasant land, then with an increasing population (and immigration is a drop in the ocean here), we have to build smaller and closer properties...
My maternal grandparents both worked "in service" (see downstairs staff at Downton Abbey) in Wiltshire. The cottage they lived in would probably be worth £2 million quid now.
Times change and new solutions are needed.
Only a Wyot clan, would have connections there. Your parents could of been conceived there.
There is plenty of room if they use all the islands off the coast and the Falklands.
If the government insist on bringing boat slaves over, they could make them build their own colonies. The top earners would throw a fit if they had commoners as neighbours.
If JK was in charge of new builds, they would be underwater when he said about building on plains, most of the plains are flood plains. You can't build on any piece of land like the government wants to do.
When God broke up Pangaea he made the UK too small. The only solution I can think of is using old shipping containers for 2 ups and 2 down.
Maggie selling the council housing was not a great idea but the population of boomed since her time.
Wyot wrote: The inherent contradiction in what you argue GM is that if we are not to use more of England's green and pleasant land, then with an increasing population (and immigration is a drop in the ocean here), we have to build smaller and closer properties...
My maternal grandparents both worked "in service" (see downstairs staff at Downton Abbey) in Wiltshire. The cottage they lived in would probably be worth £2 million quid now.
Times change and new solutions are needed.
Watching shows like Grand Designs and US /Oz versions it's remarkable just where dwellings can be located on small plots of land.
Do people need so much room?. I lived in a tiny mews flat in Notting Hill for decades and got used to small spaces which I prefer.
I could live in a well designed studio flat quire happily. Having a separate bedroom is the height of luxury for me.
hedda wrote: Wyot wrote: The inherent contradiction in what you argue GM is that if we are not to use more of England's green and pleasant land, then with an increasing population (and immigration is a drop in the ocean here), we have to build smaller and closer properties...
My maternal grandparents both worked "in service" (see downstairs staff at Downton Abbey) in Wiltshire. The cottage they lived in would probably be worth £2 million quid now.
Times change and new solutions are needed.
Watching shows like Grand Designs and US /Oz versions it's remarkable just where dwellings can be located on small plots of land.
Do people need so much room?. I lived in a tiny mews flat in Notting Hill for decades and got used to small spaces which I prefer.
I could live in a well designed studio flat quire happily. Having a separate bedroom is the height of luxury for me.
I am more happy living in a wooden shack or log cabin in the woods if there was not other people nearby.
Green Man wrote:
[quote]hedda wrote:
[quote]Wyot wrote: .
I am more happy living in a wooden shack or log cabin in the woods if there was not other people nearby.
A wooden shack? My God that's pure luxury. We thought we were privileged living in a old shoe on the road.
Fact: the population when I left the UK was around 59 million (2004)..it's now 66 million.
hedda wrote:
[quote]Green Man wrote:
[quote]hedda wrote: Wyot wrote: .
I am more happy living in a wooden shack or log cabin in the woods if there was not other people nearby.
A wooden shack? My God that's pure luxury. We thought we were privileged living in a old shoe on the road.
Fact: the population when I left the UK was around 59 million (2004)..it's now 66 million.
I remember my childhood home and street Hedda, there was no privacy in the gardens, front lawn and every one knew each other. My parents profession didn't help either.
A wooden shack will last longer than the new builds.
hedda wrote: Wyot wrote: The inherent contradiction in what you argue GM is that if we are not to use more of England's green and pleasant land, then with an increasing population (and immigration is a drop in the ocean here), we have to build smaller and closer properties...
My maternal grandparents both worked "in service" (see downstairs staff at Downton Abbey) in Wiltshire. The cottage they lived in would probably be worth £2 million quid now.
Times change and new solutions are needed.
Watching shows like Grand Designs and US /Oz versions it's remarkable just where dwellings can be located on small plots of land.
Do people need so much room?. I lived in a tiny mews flat in Notting Hill for decades and got used to small spaces which I prefer.
I could live in a well designed studio flat quire happily. Having a separate bedroom is the height of luxury for me.
Yes, people need lots of room. Anyone who has kept mammals knows that if you crowd them in, they fight and become neurotic.
Honey wrote: hedda wrote: Wyot wrote: The inherent contradiction in what you argue GM is that if we are not to use more of England's green and pleasant land, then with an increasing population (and immigration is a drop in the ocean here), we have to build smaller and closer properties...
My maternal grandparents both worked "in service" (see downstairs staff at Downton Abbey) in Wiltshire. The cottage they lived in would probably be worth £2 million quid now.
Times change and new solutions are needed.
Watching shows like Grand Designs and US /Oz versions it's remarkable just where dwellings can be located on small plots of land.
Do people need so much room?. I lived in a tiny mews flat in Notting Hill for decades and got used to small spaces which I prefer.
I could live in a well designed studio flat quire happily. Having a separate bedroom is the height of luxury for me.
Yes, people need lots of room. Anyone who has kept mammals knows that if you crowd them in, they fight and become neurotic.
The government wants us all to be city dwellers, sitting on top with each other. We reminded time and times again by the MSM and MPs that living in the countryside is racist.
Honey wrote: hedda wrote: Wyot wrote: The inherent contradiction in what you argue GM is that if we are not to use more of England's green and pleasant land, then with an increasing population (and immigration is a drop in the ocean here), we have to build smaller and closer properties...
My maternal grandparents both worked "in service" (see downstairs staff at Downton Abbey) in Wiltshire. The cottage they lived in would probably be worth £2 million quid now.
Times change and new solutions are needed.
Watching shows like Grand Designs and US /Oz versions it's remarkable just where dwellings can be located on small plots of land.
Do people need so much room?. I lived in a tiny mews flat in Notting Hill for decades and got used to small spaces which I prefer.
I could live in a well designed studio flat quire happily. Having a separate bedroom is the height of luxury for me.
Yes, people need lots of room. Anyone who has kept mammals knows that if you crowd them in, they fight and become neurotic.
so true..my 2 cats hate each other. But they both like me fortunately.
Ed Milliband is over 34 years behind the times. This should been a blueprint. When I was about 13, in 81 or so. My science teacher spoke about tidal power, we could have had that up and running by now, yet the government say that is 20 years away. I thought the planet was doomed in the next few years. Especially WW3 is on the horizon
Dennis Weaver's autobiography is a very good read, he does not go into details about his movies but more about the environment.
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