I fully support Morrissey in his statement that Britain has lost much of it's identity, mainly because of Mass Immigration. Like Morrissey I have nothing against people of other races(Most new immigrants are caucasion anyway), it's just that it has changed the face of our towns and cities forever in a negative way. I agree that it has enriched the culture to some degree, but it begins to takeover the culture when it is to excess, Do we really need 3 Indian restaurants in a village of 5000 people. Not to mention the environmental problems.
Also Mass immigration is driving down wages, increasing house prices and increasing unemployment. It makes me sick when celebrities bang on about how exciting Britain is now because of the new opportunities created by immigration. They wouldn't be saying that if they had to travel to work every morning on a crowded train because the railway infrastructure can't cope with the rapidly increasing population. As soon as anyone speaks out about this it is immediately stamped on as being 'Racist' and it seems you're not allowed to debate the issue anymore because of political correctness. Surely there must be people out there who agree with this.

I agree with your "free speech" point Robbie and also think Morrissey makes completely fair observations and hate the random use of the word "racism" to stamp on opposition (like paedophile) but I don't agree at all about immigration...

the more the merrier for me.

Indeed, I start to think we should enforce emmigration on about 75% of the British dummies who drink, moan, abuse, shout, swear and pollute.

Granted about the yobbish behavour of brits who drink, smoke, swear etc, however that just underlines Morrissey's argument that things aren't what they used to be, for whatever reason.

I'm vehemently anti-racist but we have to understand that there are only a finite number of people that you can fit on one island. Variety is the spice of life, but we must maintain the british culture as the pre-dominant strain in Britain. I don't think that immigrants should adopt to British culture they should be proud on their own and not pretend to be something they're not.

Lets have a sensible debate about this subject and not be scared of labels that people might pin on you.

I agree with Robbiex on this one. I would not class myself as racist whatsoever, however I do think something needs to be done urgently about immigration.
In my opinion this country is seen as a soft touch compared to the rest of the world. In countries such as America and Australia they have strict vetting procedures which require individuals to meet all the right criteria before they are allowed in. I also think people who wish to come to this country should be highly skilled so they can contribute something to our society, ie doctors, nurses etc.
Unfortunately there are more people coming into this country than we can actually cope with, I don't think you can blame them for wanting to make a better life for themselves, the blame has to lie with the government for allowing it to happen.

Is there a "british culture"? Or are there english, scottish, welsh etc. cultures? And if there is a british culture, is it the same as the british culture of 50 or 100 years ago?

Agree wholeheartedly with you Robbiex.
I moved out of Britain 8 years ago,and funnilly enough find the atmosphere in Ukraine much more similar to the Britain I grew up in,than the Britain I left.
Of course immigration has its bonus,diversity etc,but too much,and we forget who we are.
As for Jk wanting to force immigration onto the idiots,well be easier to force emigration on them:laugh: Few more Football hooligans to Australia,and a few more 'moral majority' christians over to the States...sure they'd feel more at home there anyway;)
And of course JK,those 75% of British dummies means that your brilliant ideas show up much better when compared to the rest of the population:P

Which year/era is it when Britain is just right?

When was the "culture" the right one?

It's interesting that Cornwall seems to have maintained it's White British identity and culture despite the increase in immigration, likewise most rural areas. Immigrants tend to focus in large towns and cities. I drove through Birmingham recently and saw not one white person. I know there are whites in that city, but it was a bit of a strange journey.

Yeah Zooloo, I'm with you...

When, exactly, was this 'Golden Age' that everyone seems to be lamenting the loss of..?

Was it the 40's? Big War, so not then...

The 50's..? Post-war Britain was such a great place to live, wasn't it...? Anyone care for another slice of pig's face?

How about the 60's...? Was it then? Perhaps..

The 70's? Yeah, righto. 3 day week, winter of discontent. Rampant Racism. Mass rioting on the streets etc..

How about the 80's? Big hair, crap music. Poll tax riots. Negative Equity. Thousands lose their homes... So, not the 80's...

We had a chance in the 90's. '97 to be precise but it seems that they're the same as all the rest.

And now we're in the naughties... Time will tell...

Part 1: Trinidadian Calypso In London, 1950-56



When the Empire Windrush, an old troop-carrier, arrived at Tilbury on June 21, 1948, and inaugurated modern Caribbean immigration to Britain, it also supplied calypso with its best-known image

The golden age was definitely the sixties. If you remember it you were'nt there!

Hi, I disagree with what you said about the 80's been a time of crap music. I think it was the golden age of pop and this was borne out by the amount of sales going on at the time. The decade spawned the likes of Duran Duran, U2, Human League, Soft Cell, Culture club, Japan, Spandau Ballet, Adam and the Ants, The Cure and many others. These bands had style and sold millions on both sides of the Atlantic. Few british artists of today can make an impression in the USA.

You could probably list a few crap bands too, as for any other era. Britain was leading this revolution and was at the forefront of music and fashion.

Here are some reasons why the 80's were better than today
No mobile phones, No X factor, great music, No Mass Immigration, No peadophiles, Much less crime, No massive house price inflation.

The only problem that time has unfortunately stamped on 80`s music is that, as technolodgy in sound was jumping about so much, is we are left with a lot of sounds on tracks that grate very badly with the root sounds with which they were recorded.
When the Human League recorded with the then breakthrough, Linn drum machine, people on the whole could not believe it was not battered but of course programmed.
When acts as diverse as Racey, used the same equipment we still had the same beat we needed at the time, it worked fine.
New Order of course broke the rules big time with the same piece of kit and made Blue Monday by recording the humanly impossible bass drum pattern at the time.
This sound lasted the decades.

However, what did not stand the test of time, is of course, massivly over-sampled orchestral stabs(yuk!), cheesy , whingy one finger tinkering on little synths, and most frightening of all, strange lyrics about, errm, nothing actually.
Did I forget the electronic tom thing?
No, I decided that they actually never existed at all.

But, as Robbie said, we have some great songs and records left from the decade(notably all the acts he mentioned), but, we also have some bloody awful records too, but so do most decades and sadly, I would say this current one more than others.

But musically, isn`t this time now, a similar lost decade?