Lowest since 2008. Brexiteers say "nothing to do with stupid Brexit". In Morocco it's worth almost nothing now - the DIRHAM is far more valuable.

Yes it is all because we didn't do Brexit "properly" (whatever that means) and we just haven't taken advantage of all the advantages Brexit would afford us to thrive! (whatever they were).

The Pound has been weak before Brexit JK. The Dollar is also crap these days.

The problems of the UK are not caused by the British people and our democratic decision with he biggest mandate for anything in a ballot box to leave the European Union bureaucracy.

We didn't leave Europe you know, just a club we didn't want membership of anymore because it was not serving our own interests as we were led to believe when we joined it and they changed the rules of the club along the way. In 2025 why do people still carp on with such non acceptance of a decision like this.

Nobody I know of has changed their mind on their decision.

I didn't vote but I haven't met anyone who has changed their mind over Brexit.

There has not been a PM with a backbone and who is not a puppet to tell globalists to do one and leave the ECHR. Farage would not do that if he was PM, yet he is vocal.

Green Man wrote:
The Pound has been weak before Brexit JK. The Dollar is also crap these days.

Even in the middle of the Thatcher government in the so called booming mid 80's as a teenager I remember when every night on the early evening news they put up the £ v $ exchange rate as well as the FTSE share figure, and almost 40 years ago to the day, in early 1985 the pound to dollar just about went to parity, I remember it well from then.

This is the trouble now GM, any slight economic trouble or problems and the Brexit line gets lazily wheeled straight out again. The only reason the UK economy is now in trouble and we have the markets panicking is because of the decisions taken by the clueless and deceitful Reeves and Starmer this past six months and in that budget and the pair of them have now done more economic damage to the fabric of the country than what they accused Truss of doing.

I don't even think a lot of those who squeal Brexit has done this and that really believe what they are saying anymore but it just makes them feel good to keep plodding away at the line I suppose.

You have a good memory Rich. People don't talk about the Great Recession in 2007-2008.

The COVID-19 Recession is never spoken about. Starmer was partly to blame for that; they pushed for lockdowns and furloughs. When people wanted to carry on with their lives and go to work, Boris had no backbone to tell his paymasters to do one, Tories played around with lockdown it was a round of Marbles.

Yes I accept a degree of what you are saying Rich/GM and don't claim to understand economics.

I suppose those of us who saw no need for Brexit and no tangible benefits (apart from a vague notion of democratic sovereignty which anyway Elon Musk seems to have control over increasingly!) equally charge the Brexiteers with "squealing" (nod to Rich!) on years later about Brexit being nothing to do with the current problems.

Yes the picture is complicated but most economists say Brexit is one factor. So that is to the debit of Brexit. Please point me to a credit gentleman: one tangible benefit?

Talk to a Brexiteer who voted, I am not a voter in any form of an election.

Green Man wrote:
Talk to a Brexiteer who voted, I am not a voter in any form of an election.

The answer can come from Brexiteer who did not vote GM. One tangible benefit?

Green Man wrote:
Talk to a Brexiteer who voted, I am not a voter in any form of an election.

Why not?

Don't say because it only encourages them!

Surely you can't sit on your hands next time?

Stopping the shipment of live animals is one example Wyot. Most EU countries transport live animals for the slaughter.

I didn't believe for a second that there would be tougher immigration laws.

Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Talk to a Brexiteer who voted, I am not a voter in any form of an election.

The answer can come from Brexiteer who did not vote GM. One tangible benefit?



Blue passports.

Well you did ask.








(Not serious, just humour, honest)

Green Man wrote:
Stopping the shipment of live animals is one example Wyot. Most EU countries transport live animals for the slaughter.

I didn't believe for a second that there would be tougher immigration laws.

So when we were part of the EU we had to export live animals for slaughter? The EU mandated this? Happy to be proved wrong GM but I find this unlikely...

If you did not believe leaving the EU would effect immigration laws, can I ask why you wanted Brexit?

I am genuinely interested rather than being combative.

Rich wrote:
Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Talk to a Brexiteer who voted, I am not a voter in any form of an election.

The answer can come from Brexiteer who did not vote GM. One tangible benefit?



Blue passports.

Well you did ask.









(Not serious, just humour, honest)

I know Rich!

But interesting response as I do think that (putting the immigration issue aside) there was a general sort of desire which swept a demographic of the country for bygone times, coppers on bikes, green lawns with the smack of cricket balls etc. I think Brexit was a cry from the older for their "childhood".

This is why I am genuinely interested (but have never received an answer here over the years) in why people wanted it and one tangible benefit that arose?

I don't mean this rudely to anyone but I don't think any thought went into it. It was pure emotion.

Wyot wrote:
Green Man wrote:
Stopping the shipment of live animals is one example Wyot. Most EU countries transport live animals for the slaughter.

I didn't believe for a second that there would be tougher immigration laws.

So when we were part of the EU we had to export live animals for slaughter? The EU mandated this? Happy to be proved wrong GM but I find this unlikely...

If you did not believe leaving the EU would effect immigration laws, can I ask why you wanted Brexit?

I am genuinely interested rather than being combative.

I never wanted Brexit Wyot, if I did I would have voted, I don't vote.

Wyot, I will give you just one bit of my own thinking that I remember doing as I actually walked to the polling station on that day.

Freedom of movement was going through my mind. Lots of people were saying how awful to stop foreigners from mainland Europe coming here into the UK as they wish and to do what they like and simply stay. But as I walked to vote I turned it around on myself, and my thinking on that specific part of being in the EU was that I should not have any right myself to go abroad into mainland Europe and simply show up and do as I please and to live forever more in one of those countries if I chose to. There should be rules and a threshold and I should have to prove my worth to live in another nation, and they should be able to actively choose if I should enter and remain, or live there indefinitely. Like Brits would have to do even to go live in Australia for example, the rules are strict even for those of us from the mother country.

Being in the EU we were defenceless against the idiocy of other countries leaders, such as Merkel in Germany just waving in a million migrants, who once in Germany could flood everywhere else within the EU, including here. No thanks!

Borders matter.

I also looked at it like this. If a new neighbour moved into your road, would you expect them by having done so, to have automatic rights to your own property, to use the garden, your driveway, come into your living room, use the toilet, kitchen etc? Just because they moved into the same road you live in. Of course not, but that's EU Freedom of movement for you at a street level and it's total nonsense.


As for wanting a return to the past, well often we wear rose tinted glasses when looking back but some things are worth cherishing. A lot of quite young people only in their 40s and 50s now talk about simpler times in the past when things were better and less fraught. This is not a bunch of 80 somethings wanting a return to the 50's. Despite all our hi-tech around us, something is very wrong with modern living for so many and none of it has made anyone any happier, quite the reverse I'd say, and I'm an 80's teenager who hates cricket!

RICH - thank you for taking the time to address my question.

Yes immigration was clearly the biggie for a lot of people and I do understand that when a seemingly positive notion such as freedom of movement rubs up against finite resources that something gives.

I am of the age you reference (52) and do also yearn, at times, for "simpler" times. Yet I also wonder if perhaps this is just what happens as we age and tire of change.

I do think that the borders issue was never going to be resolved simply by leaving the EU.