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TOPIC: Well done that Jury!
#33030
Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
Justice for Barry George at last.

However, the injustice against Jill Dando continues.
 
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#33032
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
There was never a flicker of doubt that an innocent man was stitched up by lazy, useless or corrupt police - it is yet another example of the disgusting, broken, immoral justice system in Britain (and, I think, the world).

Sally Clark? Jonathan King?
 
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#33033
Naked and Bronzed

Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
Yes, you next Jonathan.

A brilliant day for justice, a bad day for the police and the media.

More importantly..what will happen next? Will heads roll?
 
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#33034
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
JK2006 wrote:
There was never a flicker of doubt that an innocent man was stitched up by lazy, useless or corrupt police - it is yet another example of the disgusting, broken, immoral justice system in Britain (and, I think, the world).

Sally Clark? Jonathan King?


Did you hear the CPS excuse? That even they have to bring to court cases where the chances that the person accused is guilty are low!

The Police have wasted eight years - Apologists for them can have no excuses for this horrific waste of money and human life.

I am delighted for Barry, but my heart goes out to the Dando family. Their heartbreak goes on, due to the incompetence of a Police Force that simply does not care about justice. They wanted a name to shut the case with, so they simply got someone that they thought was 'the local nutter'.
 
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#33035
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
All that time wasted while the real killer(s) are still out there. Makes you sick.
 
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#33036
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
And don't forget Milly Dowler's murderer is still out there, picking off young girls.

It is time for ACCOUNTABILITY.

Our Police should be solving crimes and catching criminals, not bending the rules to get false convictions.

I really believe today should be a red letter day and a wake up call; we're madder than hell and we're not going to take it anymore.
 
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#33037
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
JK2006 wrote:
And don't forget Milly Dowler's murderer is still out there, picking off young girls.

It is time for ACCOUNTABILITY.

Our Police should be solving crimes and catching criminals, not bending the rules to get false convictions.

I really believe today should be a red letter day and a wake up call; we're madder than hell and we're not going to take it anymore.


And who is going to be the next one, falsely accused, imprisoned for years, then found innocent because the evidence is finally exposed to be a total shambles?

JK, you have got to be next to be cleared.
 
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#33038
Al

Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
Two things come to mind here.

1. This is yet another example of the police finding someone who fits the psychological profile rather than focusing on the factual evidence.

2. Poor Barry George will now be sent a bill for the time he spent in prison - for board and lodging - as if he hasn't had enough taken off him.

This country should hang it's head in shame, that we allow this kind of thing to happen over and again.
 
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#33039
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
From BBC News:

Commander Simon Foy, head of Scotland Yard's homicide and serious crime command, said: "We are disappointed by today's verdict but especially disappointed for Jill's family and friends. However, we respect the decision of the court."

So the Met still believe he is guilty? Or are they far too arrogant to have it suggested by a jury that they were totally in the wrong for the last 9 years?
 
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#33040
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
Yes a truly disgusting and immoral police statement; they do this all the time, implying the jury got it wrong.

How many other innocent men and women are locked up in our overcrowded jails?

I'd say thousands, not hundreds.
 
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#33041
Carl

Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
Justice at last! An idiot could see that Barry George was never capable of committing such a crime, however the powers that be wanted us all to believe that they had got the right man.
The media coverage of this latest appeal has been almost non existent, I wonder how many of these same newspapers would give their bollocks to get his story now he has been aquitted?
 
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#33042
veritas

Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
It was a victory for everyone-not just Barry George..and yes, at the same time a great injustice was done to us all but none so more than Jill Dando.

When authorities conspire-when consiously or not, to bang up the innocent, everyone suffers.

It's pleasing that we still have wonderful lawyers and barristers who will fight on-and George was lucky to have a loyal sister on his side. Otherwise he would have rotted in jail forever.

I wonder if the original thoughs about Dando's killing have merit-it was the height of the
"terroroism" threat and that a disgruntled group may have set out to make an example.

I always though her killing seemed very professional.
 
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#33043
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
My letter to the papers on the Barry George verdict...

The question on everyone's mind after the Barry George acquittal is "Are our police lazy, incompetent or corrupt?". The answer is - yes.
I have first hand experience of how they deliberately work on getting convictions instead of establishing the truth.

Meanwhile Jill Dando's killer remains free to murder once more. Like Milly Dowler's killer. And so many others. Whilst innocent people like Sally Clark and Sion Jenkins and Barry George and so many more are jamming our jails.
And the media colludes in this, rarely examining the behaviour of police, CPS and Judges. All they want is a good story.

So they ignore people like myself, wrongly convicted, unless we can prove our innocence (in most cases impossible - it took Barry eight years).

Accountability does not exist. "The police" are blamed, briefly, but no individuals are censored and when they are the media looks the other way.
The officer in charge of my case left the force under a cloud after failing to get anywhere in the Milly Dowler enquiry.

Unless one Editor somewhere dares to list all the miscarriages of justice and all the dodgy convictions (everyone in the prison system knew Barry was innocent going by my experience during three and a half years in Her Majesty's Estate), we shall suffer more and more jail over crowding. Name the guilty men and women who stitched George up, who destroyed Sally Clark, who daily corrupt the honesty of investigations by "assisting" witness statements and manufacturing evidence.

There are thousands of other innocent people locked up. I met dozens myself.
But will the media speak up?
No chance.

P.S.
My appeal is being heard by the European Court of Human Rights later this year.
 
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#33045
veritas

Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
In itself-the story of wrongful convictions and dodgy stitch-ups by cops and others is every bit as sensational as the current mania for sexsational tales.

All it needs is one good intelligent editor to realise and begin the campaign.

I'm always amused (if that's the right word) when the police say they are "disappointed" by the result-as in Barry george's acquital, but that they accept the result. In other words they don't accept the result-not that they have any choice-but are basically saying he's really guilty and the jury-not them , got it wrong.

This lets them off the hook. I've never yet heard of a police officer being charged over any case when they have so obviously conspired to get convictions.
 
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#33046
robbiex

Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
Ok, I always doubted Barry George's involvement in the Jill Dando murder, however I can't have too much sympathy for him. He has committed a string of sex offences, including indecent assault and stalking. Not once or twice, but literally dozens of times. He is obviously a disturbed man and I would be very concerned for any young women that have to live any where near him. Do we really want such a person walking free and now seeking thousands of pounds of compensation all coming out of tax payers money.
 
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#33047
Al

Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
So, Robbie, you are saying that we should single out people with personality disorders and turn a blind eye when they are wrongfully convicted, because they are 'badduns' anyway?

Where do we draw the line? When do human rights and justice cease to apply? When does truth become irrelevant?

Are Barry George's previous convictions, of which most of us on this board have no first hand knowledge, an excuse for locking him up for someone else's crime?

When we deny the basic rights and freedoms to one person, we deny them to all. Turn a blind eye to one injustice and we may as well throw out the rule book so that none of have any protection.

If Barry George had previous convictions, he served his time for those and is free to walk the streets so long as he remains within the law. Do we know for sure that these recent allegations of stalking made, with encouragement from the police, against a man already in jail are true? Such tales are easy to tell. He remains innocent until proven guilty. This is the right of all of us - often denied. We should cherish that right and defend it against those who attempt to remove it.
 
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#33048
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
veritas wrote:
In itself-the story of wrongful convictions and dodgy stitch-ups by cops and others is every bit as sensational as the current mania for sexsational tales.

All it needs is one good intelligent editor to realise and begin the campaign.

I'm always amused (if that's the right word) when the police say they are "disappointed" by the result-as in Barry george's acquital, but that they accept the result. In other words they don't accept the result-not that they have any choice-but are basically saying he's really guilty and the jury-not them , got it wrong.

This lets them off the hook. I've never yet heard of a police officer being charged over any case when they have so obviously conspired to get convictions.


Read up on Stefan Kiszko, because that to me is one of the worst miscarriages of justice in the last 35 years or so. The Police knew he was innocent yet still pressed on and were happy to see him sent down for an appalling murder that he could not have done, plus they knew that the samples left at the scene were not his either, by simple biology.

But these Police Officers were allowed to retire on full pensions, with an establishment happy to allow them to walk away from the CRIME that they committed.
And that is the whole point. What has happened to Barry George, to Sion Jenkins, to Sally Clark, to JK is a CRIME, and someone should be held responsible for it, and serve prison themselves if the evidence is found to be enough to indict them.

There is revolution in the air, can anyone else smell it? It's coming.
 
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#33049
Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
robbiex wrote:
Ok, I always doubted Barry George's involvement in the Jill Dando murder, however I can't have too much sympathy for him. He has committed a string of sex offences, including indecent assault and stalking. Not once or twice, but literally dozens of times. He is obviously a disturbed man and I would be very concerned for any young women that have to live any where near him. Do we really want such a person walking free and now seeking thousands of pounds of compensation all coming out of tax payers money.

I don't think anyone is saying that George is an angel but there is a world of difference between the offences you list above and a professional murder of a TV personality. Look at him then and now. He isn't capable of it, it's obvious.
 
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#33050
robbiex

Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
I didn't say that he shouldn't be released, in fact I have long supported his release since seeing a BBC documentary called 'Trial and Error'.
I was just saying that he should be portrayed as a sweet and innocent model citizen. He has frequently committed crimes against women and someone who has committed so many crimes would indicate that the law is often too lenient and in-effective.
 
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#33051
Naked and Bronzed

Re:Well done that Jury! 15 Years, 9 Months ago  
JK...can the European Court of Human Rights force a re trial in your case? When is your case due to be heard by them?
 
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