An old friend - he was even my agent for a while when he left the BBC and worked for Noel Gay.

Amusing tale of bumping into him and Grade in a BBC corridor.

Bill - "JK, can you explain why No Limits is the No1 runaway smash hit show on BBC2?".

JK - "Because the music is great".

Grade - "But it sounds just the same as all the other music to me".

JK - "That's why you and Bill are in TV Michael and I'm in music".

And incidentally that was why the UK won Eurovision in 1997.