Since they have fewer readers than this site it's hardly worth mentioning but for anyone interested - see Attitudes & Opinions

www.kingofhits.co.uk/content/view/745/37/

One of the funniest and most accurate responses I've ever seen.

Maybe The People could help convince the public of Glitter's guilt by listing some facts rather than just spewing our cliched hatred. The larger picture is that by treating his conviction as safe and his guilt as unquestionable they, and others, are saying that the Vietnamese legal system is now both fair and just.

Is the UK now officially endorsing the Vietnamese system? Or are we just making an exception in Glitter's case?

I think Gary Glitter has been made the exception. If it had been some average Joe Public on a different kind of charge the British media, and authorities, would have been working overtime on his behalf. Glitter is the favourite whipping boy of the media, so all the normal rules are waved.

Even though SHAME OF PEDO CELEBRITY has become a somewhat worn-out story the papers will still push it out to their braindead readership. It's not a story that requires thought, just reaction. The possible bigger story of a fellow human being falsely accused and convicted while his alleged victims receive payments beyond their dreams from an overzealous media doesn't incite the same kind of emotions, so no journalists will even pursue that possibility.

Gary Glitter might indeed be guilty, but has anyone made any real effort to find out?

Repulsive article about Glitter in the news of the world today too :

www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/article17542.ece

Lurid descriptions of what Glitter supposedly did to the girls then the reporter coaxing them into proclaiming that they wish he had been executed...very innocent.

Then below a story about a 17 year old 'victim' of Glitter who was happy enough to let him bang her in school uniform when he was a famous pop star but dumped him when she thought he was cheating on her and now, 20 years later, feels abused by him. Story comes complete with picture of woman as young girl dressed in school uniform, no doubt so NOTW readers can masturbate over it then post 'kill the paedo' comments in their forum.
Jacqui Smith will probably announce plans tommorrow to raise the age of consent to 25 to prevent it happening again.

what a hoot !

you are so right about the new media-iTunes etc. My world of music has opened up so dramatically in the past few years. To think you can surf the net and find dozens of musical styles that you just didn't have time to before is fantastic..so much better than trudging down to the record store and going through cds etc.

This has to be such a plus for new young musicians and song writers as well. Anyone with some inventive flair can by-pass the dreaded A&R man and the record company.

I think what is happening to Glitter should be viewed as very frightening and an example of steps on the road to Fascism.

We are seeing that a tabloid newspaper is able to basically dictate to the government how they should react and they respond accordingly.

Reading between the lines of that article we can see :

1. The mother sounds rather pissed off as she settled for too little a sum-1000 pounds ( despite the tosh that she couldn't read, the Vietnamese lawyer would have explained what was happening and it's a common occurence in Vietnam and regarded as quite normal)

2. That Vietnamese justice can be bought and sold. When money changes hands and charges are dropped-no other aspect of a court case can be considered to be ethical and should be suspected.

other points
1.no-one is ever found innocent in most Asian courts and certainly not Vietnam/ Thailand or Indonesia. Once charged that is it-you will go to jail.
Drug charges are the most common although the Golden Triangle drug producing centre is controlled by a cartel of Burmese, Indonesian and Thai army generals.

2.The west has never made real reparations for it's dreadful history of decimating the Vietnamese people with the killing of up to one million men wonmen and children.

3. The NoTW along with the whole News Ltd stable of publications and TV stations beat the drums of war for George Bush & Tony Blair-without their support they couldn't have launched the war on Iraq which has killed and maimed tens of thousands of children.

4. We often knock the police but there are many honest and genuine coppers- from Chief Constable Terry Grange of Dyfed-Powys, the child protection spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers: " the government [i]had

New to here so may get grief for this but I can't really see how we can defend Glitter in this case - even if I was a huge fan.
I'd rather see the tabloid press condemned for the trash they print and the way they ruin people's lives
I'm also against these people who appear many years later claiming they've been abused, etc - it's jumping on the bandwagon and looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
Not sure I agree with all on here but interesting none the less so will return

It's not about defending Gary Glitter. It's about seeking the truth, regardless of what that truth is.

We know for a fact that people have lied before about being abused. This is made more likely when they are paid fees by the media.

We also know that the Vietnam legal system has massive faults. There is no burden of proof, and no presumption of innocence. Very few people are found not guilty.

If Glitter was guilty of child abuse he deserved to pay the penalty. But what if he was not guilty?

If we care about truth, justice, and the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty, we must apply these principles equally in all cases.

Beano wrote:
New to here so may get grief for this but I can't really see how we can defend Glitter in this case - even if I was a huge fan.
I'd rather see the tabloid press condemned for the trash they print and the way they ruin people's lives
I'm also against these people who appear many years later claiming they've been abused, etc - it's jumping on the bandwagon and looking for their 15 minutes of fame.
Not sure I agree with all on here but interesting none the less so will return
I don't think Glitter has been defended per se.

There has been a general debate about if his songs should be played on the radio or not. If not then why not other people who have been convicted of crimes.

Regarding the Tabloids I found the NoW (IRC) headline of "Shoot Glitter" very disturbing.

It seems odd that if I said we should understand cancer nobody would accuse me of being in favour of cancer. Say we should try to understand Glitter and his ilk and that's suddenly a different matter.

"New to here so may get grief for this but I can't really see how we can defend Glitter in this case - even if I was a huge fan."

Of course you are entitled to that view -I'm not certain whether Glitter is guilty or not of the Vietnam episode but he put his hand up for the porn charges.

My concern is the extraordinary and vindicate campaign being waged by the NoTW-requesting prople to tell them where Glitter is living etc.

Whatever one thinks-he has done his time and like everyone who comes out of jail he has a human right to be now left in peace. To be used by a newspaper as a plaything to fill pages with copy is reprehensible.

If he did commit the crime in Vitenam-the NoTW is an utter disgrace to be interviweing the mother and drawing attention to the children again just so they can write sordid stories. It's a form of child abuse in itself.

Years ago I was absolutely enraged one day when a newspaper in Sydney ( Murdoch title !) was running a campaign against a peadophile being hunted around the world. The law states that children's faces and names cannot be published but they went to Asia and ran a full front page picture with names and photos of this bloke's alleged Cambodian victims.

I stormed into the paper and got to the editor's office and abused him-he said it didn't matter as they were Asian kids and no-one would remember them ( before security threw me out !)

For a tabloid newspaper-they don't give a damn about kids-it's about flogging newspapers. In fact-they need more sex crimes to survive. Vultures.

Look I don't know about Glitter really but the Vietnam guilty verdict is as suspect as they come. I would never never trust a court in Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia or Vietnam. The legal system in all 4 countries is so riven with corruption they are an abuse of human rights.

Amnesty International has already stated Vietnam has a shocking record for human rights violations in their court system..once in it -you will be found guilty no matter what. I tend to concur that Glitter is most likely correct when he says his human rights were violated.

I currently have a friend doing 6 years in a Thai jail-set up by his Scottish business partners in a nightclub who wanted him out the way. He was stopped by police on his way to Bangkok airport with 30 boxes of cigarettes his partners had obtained for him-the police seargent went straight to one box and found 100 yabba ( speed) tablets. The evidence would never ever stack up in a British court. He resigned himself to being found guilty and was just glad he didn't get life.

As for Glitter's records being played-surely everyone is aware the a Pete Townshend song is played every night around the world as the theme song to one of the USA's biggest hit crime TV series.

Townshend wasn't convicted. Not relevant.

Didnt PETE T accept a caution. I thought that was an admission of guilt ? Therefore that is just the same as a conviction

Is a convicted Paedophile more dangerous than a non convicted Paedophile ?

It is fact that many members of the "establishment" are involved in Paedo rings. Protected no doubt by the Police. Read DAVID ICKE "THE BIGGEST SECRET" if you want the full and gory details - based on real research and no-one has EVER taken him to court over that book for "libel" which they would have done if the claims were not true !!! ( the media talk about REPTILES and SON OF GOD claims by ICKE - but the reality of Icke's writings is that the ESTABLISHMENT in the UK and USA is running the World and that they are linked into Mind Control and Child Sex rings - and that this group which Conspiracy Theorists call the NWO eventually want to rule the World through fear in a pseudo fascist state.

In fact KING OF HITS is AGAINST CHILD ABUSE and CHILD exploitation - and so THE PEOPLE is wrong to suggest that anyone on here would condone GLITTER in that way. However, Glitter made great records and most people will admit to liking the records ( That does not makes anyone who does a) deluded or b) child porn sympathiser.

Those running the media NEED Gary Glitter to HIDE the REAL TRUTH about those running the World - the Global Elite. People like JK and all the other famous celeb witch hunt cases are to cloud the issues.

Can THE PEOPLE explain when they are tirading against one sad old rock star - they ignore the SEXUALISATION of children in the UK and USA where girls as young as 8 are now wearing clothing which only 10 years ago would be seen as "hooker friendly" complete with thongs with suggestive comments ( High School Musical - Bratz etc ) and where Pop Videos are pumped out with "young teenage looking USA stars" thrusting in their underwear to try and sell poor music to the masses.

This whole "sexing up" of Children is the NWO plan to undermine society - with those living on council estates kept sane by copious amounts of cheap booze from Tescos etc no wonder we are seeing an explosion of "kiddy porn" and real abuse cases from within families - bombarded by the media with images of young and younger looking role models in ever increasing sexual posing.

I am not MARY WHITEHOUSE - but I believe her words are coming scarily true.

Who owns the media ? They are to blame - they are the real enemy and who THE PEOPLE should be taking on. Taking on a pensionable rock star is a sick and bullying thing to do. Take on those who are responsible for this problem in society - THE PEOPLE and all journos should start reading some REAL RESEARCH on the subject such as DAVID ICKE ( there is lots more out there ) and listening to ALEX JONES in the USA who has outed many of the depraved NWO in the USA.

Our media is BLANKING this out - so perhaps KING OF HITS is one of the few places where democracy still exists in the the UK.

The NWO always calls those who challenge them "Deluded" or "crazy" etc. That is the way in which they isolate and continue without the public listening to the voices of truth and reason.

We are in a MASSIVE WAR with these people. Whether JK likes it or not - they have rumbled this site and realise that we are speaking from the heart on here. We are not afraid of them. They can try and make us afraid but we will not be

The TRUTH is important.

You are correct.

Pete T accepted a caution which is regarded as an admission of guilt.

However according to the excellent investigative reporter Duncan Campbell-the whole case along with dozens of others was a travesty of justice and could have been a deliberate ploy by the FBI who provided police around the world with fasle data-since completely discredited by one of the world's greatest computer experts who has given evidence in many cases were thier convictions have been overturned.

Google DUNCAN CAMPBELL and you will find the story.

I aslo have anecdoatal evidence that the original raid on Townshend's home was calculated to cause the maximum effect-50 officers burst in with cameras etc. Apparently Pete was terrified out of his mind and would have confessed to murder.

I've said it over and over and over. There is a deliberate plot to control the internet and voila !..

see this : www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article-southeastasia.asp?parentid=95909

Thailand is to introduce a new law on the 23rd August requiring all businesses, isp providers etc to retain internet activity by customers for 90 days. In internet shops , people will be required to show credible ID and the computer they use logged with time and date.

The excuse-child and adult porn, terrorism, libel..

this will spread.

Personally, I despise the tabloids for the untruths they print and misery they cause and I'd certainly never waste my money buying one.
I'd be happy to hear Glitter songs played but unfortunately, the way the media is controlled, I doubt we'll hear Glitter songs played in this country again