Operation Ore - the first chapter of the book exposing it...

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Nietzsche's quote in the preamble..."...and the image of the deed still another"

Back to that are we?

Back to "I was only LOOKING at pictures of child pornography and the nasty policeman came and got me... it's FASCIST! It's the END OF CIVILISATION! It wasn't me who took the pictures... THEY are picking on me for just looking... boo-hoo it's so unfair!"

As for the content, the whole "chapter" the literary equivalent of a headless chicken.

We only know what we know about OPERATION ORE and such like from the "media" reports. What suprises me is that the majority of those "caught" in this sting were Police - Lawyers - Government YET I have not seen any of these taken to court or at the least covered in the media.......make of that what you will.

I think perspective is needed on all these things.

Murder is our society has been downgraded because it has "hard evidence" which is no good for a Fascist State who want to control our thoughts. Two crimes are arguable the easiest to "prove" without evidence - Terrorism and Sexual Offences which dont have sex !!or that are historical.....

This is the way in which the fascist state will use CRB checks and ID cards to stop anyone who is against this current government from having a voice. Their recent way has been to rubbish or call rascist....that is now wearing thin....so they have stepped it up.

Anyone who is even accused of these things becomes a "NON PERSON" according to the CRB checks. This means the state can in fact start to accuse people ( with no evidence ) and they can stop you working and ruin your reputation - it does not EVEN NEED A COURT CASE OR CONVICTION !!

I feel total sympathy with the poor middle aged bloke.

What are we storing up for the future ?

Well 40% of Under 16s claim to have full sex and 80% some sort of sexual contact......

Extrapolate that into the future and you will see that 80% of the population are TECHNICALLY SEX OFFENDERS and could be prosecuted retrospecivally under the current laws.

I feel our Schools need to addres this issue and warn kids that any sexual contact before they are 16 years old could lead them to appearing in court at a later date or the person they are with. 17 year olds and 18 year olds are particularly at risk.

Our justice system is now being used for political purposes. The Police have no resources when you are being robbed - but probably can afford 35 Police to meet Glitter when he returned or 1000 police to stop people on the way to the Bulldog Festival or 1000 police to stand around looking at the Climate Protesters.

Our freedoms are being eroded daily. Real child abuse is ignored by those in power I might add.......read DAVID ICKE THE BIGGEST SECRET for the details.

I'm currently reading a Bill Bryson book ; "Made in America: An Informal History of the English Language in the United States"..which is more a potted history of the USA since it's beginning rather than language.

It seems that every 40/50 years or so these witch-hunts spring up and some group is identified to be the hunted. It can be anything from an ethnic group ( almost every new immigrant group in the USA from Croats to Italians to Jews etc) to some sort of sexual activity. The actual thing being hunted isn't important-it's just important someone is identified as the enemy where hate can be directed.

(much of Brysn's book is fascinating though about language and points out some absurdities-even the opening lines of the Declaration of Independance "All men are created equal.." equal to what-each other ?..in truth all men are created un-equal !).

The 1950's was the last time we had witch-hunts in such a severe manner..and before that-in the Victorian era we always single the plight of poor Oscar Wilde without identifying him as the the first high profile victim of a witch-hunt to quell what was seen as an uninhibited licentious London that had to be quelled.

I think we need to be VERY careful here. While I am not at all in favour of witch hunts {and, incidentally I fully take on board the notion of identifying and maintaining hate figures to be wheeled around and screamed about whenever a government wants to do something particularly draconian}, it's important to remember that children need protection from predators. They might be online paedophiles {whatever that means}, sad, lonely people who feel a need to abduct, or simply marketing men with a new {and usually very expensive} pair of trainers or massively sexualised doll to sell. Whatever it is that stalks or minors needs to be checked {as opposed to rewarding with a Queens' Award For Industry...} in its tracks and the important message sent that our children are our children, not a recourse for indecency or cash. Operations like Ore {remember I said "like" as opposes to "such as"} are thoroughly necessary. Adults should not be allowed to exploit children. End of. As someone who has a conviction for the possession of CP - and as someone who has had to look very hard at his own motivations and drivers - I am, believe me, qualified to comment. We need to stop this sort of thing, and we should be extremely careful not to make excuses. The detectives who handled my own investigation never gave the impression of doing anything other than their job and maintained a professional attitude throughout. Likewise the legal proceedings were pretty fair and balanced. I never felt witch hunted. I just felt like I shouldn't have behaved like that in the first place. Sure, flag up the cock ups. It's important to note that over 30 {probably innocent} men were driven to suicide after arrest on suspicion. But remember always that there are those of us who deserved our punishment. Let's not make any excuses, nor minimise the impact of what some of us have done.

Well I come from the opposite end of the spectrum to yourself having never looked at porn of any sort because I am anti exploitation and believe that pornography is actually a con in itself.

But I take on board your desire that dangerous predators should be taken to court ( At great expense I might add ) and convicted in order to protect the public.

However, you have missed the central point - in the case of Terrorism and Sexual OFfences the Government and Media operate a completely different set of principles. For instance look at the BBC News Feeds for Teletext and their Website. They are heavily biased towards covering stories about the two issues - and rarely cover other "public protection". This is because of the "Witch Hunt" agenda and mentality.

What that does mean is this - a guilty person like yourself probably does better out of the system than an innocent person like JK. This is because the courts and jury are basically operating "show trials" and because of that everything including sentence is magnified in order to satisfy the media need for a "Big Story" - it becomes an arm of showbusiness.

This also plays a part in false allegations - even if the accused is totally innocent his/her life is ruined by media intrustion whilst the accuser is never known and goes about his/her business. Not only that they are on the CRB for life.

My personal experiences of the Police dealing with people I know who have been mugged - my own of having my car broken into 4 times in 2005 - are totally at odds to your experience. The Police in all cases have been rude and dismissive - probably because I am not rich. My brother ended up in hospital after being mugged and it was caught on CCTV - yet the muggers who were caught got off with no punishment despite my brother being off work injured for months. These are very recent things.

If you read any Mail newspaper or search the internet you will see that "If you plead guilty" like you did you get polite friendly Police who do it by the book. But if someone is falsely accused I would think the opposite is true by the very nature of the situation.

What this tells me is that Sex Offenders get fair treatment by the Police which is good. But the rest of us probably would not......which is not so good and who knows what the answer is.

There is a massive industry in Child Protection which did not exist even 15 years ago - are kids more abused these days ? well I dont think they are. What we are seeing is professional paedophile rings being arranged for CASH - and greed and exploitation and the subsequent Police and Authorities reacting as if the material was akin to drugs ( which in some way it possibly is )

Who really suffers through all of this ?

The kids.

Why ?

They are forced to grow up fast by a media who attack them with sexual images from the age of birth. Then they dont get any moral guidance - just biology. Then they are told they are not safe at all so they live in fear of other people outside their family - though 95% of abuse takes place in the home.

What chance have our kids got in all of this ? Not alot and we have created a shocking world in the UK.

Have you got kids BR???

I do have a family. Grown up thank goodness. You ?

Yes, a 4 day old. Its made me see this planet from a different perspective. Scary to think what this place will be like when she grows up. I must admit that some of the negative aspects come from some of the posts on this website. There's an awful lot of doom and gloom out there.

4 days old - congrats. how do you find time to read a forum !!!

There is alot of negative out there - but I firmly believe there are MORE GOOD PEOPLE in the World than bad by a long long way. I generally have a very positive outlook on things but the media witch hunts do effect minorities ( hence they can take place - Jews - witches - homosexuals - minority religious groups - minority ethnic groups - sexual deviants - gypsies ) and so in our more enlightened society our Governments should be showing love towards EVERYONE.

Justice has to be done to protect people - but it needs to fair and the whole of society needs to be based on principles that we all agree on. The desire to bend and break rules comes when bad laws are introduced or when Government wants "one rule for you and another for us " That is when society breaks down.

Children are the future and deserve a better world if we can give it to them. All the best with it !

Just as an aside, and with reference to the thread below...

It's rather ironic, don't you think BR, that every single one of the minority groups you've just mentioned have, over the last two thousand years or so, been subjected to the most horrendous abuse at the hands of so-called 'Christians'.

You are totally right. The Christian Right has one of the poorest records for harming minorities. I find it totally shocking and unbiblical - and actually unchristian.

Sad to say I think we need to look at books like David ICke's to see how the organised religions have been hijacked by "bloodlines" who want to see conflict on our planet.

Real Christians do not approve of any of this and believe in the teachings of Jesus on these matters. Just to give one example - the public were ready to stone a prostitute called Mary and Jesus intervened and saved her from this. I think this story more than any other shows God's view on sexuality and how forgiveness and love come before the "mucky mudslinging and judgemental society" that we have created.

Bringing that story up to date - THE SUN is the "Public" with stones in their hands and Mary is the sex offender or pregnant 17 year old........

Yes-of course children need protection and indeed-the majority of abuse is not sexual but physical and mental abuse or abuse by neglect which I believe could be in many cases far more damaging then sexual.

For instance-I come from a family who down the generations have never believed in physically punishing their children and that's passed onto me-yet discipline was never a problem ( being handled by the denial of treats and such-which I believe was far more effective)

Yet I was sent ot a private school where I still remember the most savage canings from one particular master (fully sanctioned by the school and state) which would have the man locked up today. I remember because I have a slightly deformed finger from one caning. I never thought of mentioning this to my parents until I finally left-whereupon my mother almost had to be physically restrained from tracking the man down and punching out his lights.

Yet that master was acting in a way that was acceptable at the time-although now I remember the absolute fury on his face during these beatings obviously indicated some dreadful malady happening inside his own head.

There is an undoubted "child protection" industry of professional moralisers.

I know one myself very well-yet she tells me she was a drug addicted prostitute at the age of 13..but looked 16 so got away with it. I've asked her how she reconciles the fact she was inducing men to basically commit a peadophile act upon her by deceit-she says that is why she now hunts them down-mainly in Asia. I've asked her why she doesn't concentrate on the real child abuse in Asian-kids working in factories as slave and indentured labour-often for over 12 hours a day/7 days a week.

She says she'll get around to them eventually which is of course-a complete self delusion.

I've come to the conclusion that she is and has always been obsessed by sex and that she is typical of so many like her. ( and the huge government and private donations that fund her first class trips throughout Asia must be an added attraction)

These people can cause more harm than help. They drive myths and contribute to them. Police also promote myths and exagerations-we are still seeing that today with the Jersey so-called abuse scandal where police still promote a yet to be proven tale of murdered children with absolutely no proof. Even Jersey newspapers are now wondering why the tale is being repeated over and over.

Ultimately-innocent people will be charged and damaged and reputations ruined and some will suicide.

And when the suicides happened during that Operation Ore-self appointed child abuse campaigners ( who I believe to be extremly dangerous ) said words to the effect:"well they are no longer abusing".

So there we had these dead people charged, tried and found guilty in the minds of some yet never having faced a court-they died as innocent men. The same campaigners seem to care little about the families and children left behind by these men. Scalps are claimed and that's all that matters.

Pete Clarke wrote:
Just as an aside, and with reference to the thread below...

It's rather ironic, don't you think BR, that every single one of the minority groups you've just mentioned have, over the last two thousand years or so, been subjected to the most horrendous abuse at the hands of so-called 'Christians'.
It isn't ironic because morality changes. It was moral for them.

I don't feel it's fair to blame religion for people's wicked deeds, it's the people.

Equally I don't feel it's fair to give religion credit for the good people have done.

To answer your question, i make time for this website. I find the forums here good bedtime reading as the subject matters can be thought provoking and give me good fodder for the following day ahead. My eyes have been opened in many respects with regards to media perception and the justice system thanks to post from people like you. Some i agree with, others not so. Thanks for the sentiment. She sleeps like a log (for now).