We are all amazed by the strange way our justice system is now operating.

I fully suggest you read this article and pay attention to about half way through when it comments on what the "Reptillian Agenda" is for crime.

www.luisprada.com/Protected/reptilian_pact.htm

The media has brainwashed us into seeing Mutan Ninja Turtles whenever we hear the word reptile. Funny that. If your first thought is "crazy" then you have the same feelings as me.

Ignore those feelings and read the article - at the end of the article I believe your feelings may be challenged.

Like many I am trying to work out why our legal system is being used in such a way against innocent people. This could be one answer - sometimes the truth is weirder than we could ever perceive in our controlled lives.

BR, can you see the absurdity of the following?

1. The Lizards cause wars

2. Wars exist

3. Therefore the Lizards exist

Is this some kind of spoof website?

The initial response to such a "agenda" or site is to laugh - the same as people did when someone suggested the Earth was flat.

The way to read the agenda with an open mind is as follows :

Take each line - look at the EVIDENCE to whether each line is actually happening and whether each line is being manipulated into happening.

I think today STATEWATCH have made a statement ( and they are not looney or weird !! ) that basically backs up much of what is written in that Agenda.

It is easy to dismiss these things. The USA dismissed the likelihood of a "9/11" terror attack as being "Hollywood" hence they ignored their own "research" which said it was going to happen.

This is how we operate as humans - we limit our understanding by our own experience. Then we become shocked or outraged when something does not fit the rules that we have set.

Life is far more complex that we can ever understand. The FURORE over the Hadron Collidor is another example. The End of the World - LOL - it is a science experiment which is doing what happens naturally all the time. So how it can destroy the world is beyond me - but because many dont understand what is happening they try to box it up within their own understanding.

It is a fact that some of our brain is in fact reptillian ( Look it up if you dont believe me ) which I am sure you would laugh at if I had said this before research had proved it.

Therefore though imagining Turtles in underground bunkers planning to take over the world is in my view not very likely - the idea that as a human race we are open to manipulation by people whose agenda is a bad one is possible ( It happened once before under a guy called Hitler )

So when I read the Reptillian Agenda - I read a set of aims which may or may not be being followed by a set of reptiles or a group of humans. I happen to think that we are dealing with an elite group of humans who are following this agenda in order to make themselves RICH and give themselves POWER and they are doing it using some of those ways.

There is no reason at all for wars - we all agree. Yet we have had more in the last 10 years than ever before including the UK - why ?

You know I was once having a chat to my Dad when he was 75 and in hospital-one of those meandering conversations one has with one who is ill and there isn't a lot to talk about except the weather and the news on TV.

And right on queue the news on the telly came on with a series of bank robberies, assaults, a rape or 2 and a murder.

"So much terrible crime around today" I said in an offhand way.

"Yes" he replied "but by God it was so much worse when I was young-the only difference was we didn't hear about it so much !"

Having spent the last 4 hours studying David Icke on Youtube, i conclude that this could in fact be complete cobblers. Although i could be wrong.

BR, can you see the absurdity of the following?

1. The Lizards cause wars

2. Wars exist

3. Therefore the Lizards exist

I must not write after 2 glasses of wine as I don't always make myself clear.

I believe that crime-as in sexual assaults, house break-ins, auto (or horse & buggy) theft, shop lifting, murder etc etc haven't changed in a 100 years..the figures go up and down and vary from year to year but the general population isn't anymore unlawful than they ever were.

However I agree with David Icke and his claim that there is drive to "criminalise" more people with a raft of restrictions.

You only have to go back and read "They Thought They Were Free"-a book written by a German about his experiences from 1935 onwards. How gradually the types of crimes under the Nazis increased gradually until they had total control over people's lives.

Reading this book is quite frightening-you will see so much that happened in 1935 has been happening since 2001. Scary to think that the Nazis introduced a Department of Homeland Defence-the exact same title as the USA introduced after 9/11.

But it doesn't stop there..I'd urge anyone to read this book and see what is happening today is nothing new.

And of course-the range of state "enemies" grew gradually and were identified..gypsies, Jews, gays , sexual "deviants"...and so on

R T Mason touched on this in another thread. It's an important comparison which many people refuse to see because they don't want it to be true. They are all right Jack (for now), so they don't want anyone to rock the boat.

Yes - RT was right as you point out Denise. I also agree that you can read books on the Nazis and see striking similarities with today's legislative measures and agenda.

David Icke and many others say that the Nazi agenda was in fact the New World Order agenda - and that after that attempt failed they decided to bring about the change via other methods which did not include war.

We all expect to see goosestepping uniformed Nazis whereas the "new" fascists come with smiles and promises of easy money tied to debt and platitudes about protecting you and me against the "Crime" wave which we all agree does not exist..........

I think we all need to keep our eyes open and our minds free from the media brainwashing and if we get chances to speak up for freedom We must take it.

BR wrote:
Yes - RT was right as you point out Denise. I also agree that you can read books on the Nazis and see striking similarities with today's legislative measures and agenda.

David Icke and many others say that the Nazi agenda was in fact the New World Order agenda - and that after that attempt failed they decided to bring about the change via other methods which did not include war.

We all expect to see goosestepping uniformed Nazis whereas the "new" fascists come with smiles and promises of easy money tied to debt and platitudes about protecting you and me against the "Crime" wave which we all agree does not exist..........

I think we all need to keep our eyes open and our minds free from the media brainwashing and if we get chances to speak up for freedom We must take it.
Avoiding answering questions that undermine you view shows the paucity of your view.

Parallel with Nazis... how about the Protocols of Zion = The Reptilian Pact

Icke's accusations against others can equally be applied to him but you have been too brainwashed by Icke to realise this - he has you in his grip!

"brainwashed" by Icke ?

I repeat again what the great US poltiician Huey Long said (a reformer who wanted re-distribution of US wealth so naturally-was assasinated !):

"If Facism ever comes to the USA it will be wrapped in the American flag"

That pretty well sums up the Bush /Cheney government for me.

I've only seen one David Icke film-it was about the complete invasion of privacy and the proliferation of cameras everywhere to record everyone's movements.

He took his camera crew down to outside Downing Street to give a piece to camera and right on cue-2 coppers walked up and demanded to know what he was doing. Icke lost his cool and demanded to know from them what right they had to be questioning him and under what law-as well as pointing out the rediculousness of their actions when tourists were wandering by taking photos.

The police backed off but Icke had proved his point when he wasn't even meaning to !

David Icke is using a technique called problem-reaction-solution to further the cause of his NWO masters.

If you cannot see this it is because you have been conditioned that way, it is only by breaking away from this conditioning you can see the Truth!

are you saying David Icke is part of the New World Order he talks about ?

now you are doing my head in !!

veritas wrote:
are you saying David Icke is part of the New World Order he talks about ?

now you are doing my head in !!
Everything Icke accuses others of can be levelled against him too, all we have to do is join up the dots and the TRUTH will be REVEALED!

(It must be a fact because I'm capitalising random words)

BTW Shape-changing piscean aliens are the hand behind the reptilians.

well I've always said there are conspiracy plots we know about and ones we don't know about ( a bit Donald Rumsfield that..)

but anything is possible. Trying to work out the truth is very difficult.

Piscean aliens !..I lived with a Piscean once..very mysterious people and hard to get to know.

Much of what Icke says is relevant. There clearly is an agenda to control us on every level, and no doubt that our freedoms are being eroded by the hour. Examples of these are endless and we talk about many of them on this board.

There are powerful organizations out there pulling the strings of our governments, but I disagree that there is one all-powerful blood-line ruling the world. I disagree with his conspiracy theories about 9/11, though it is quite possible it was allowed to happen to create all the necessary excuses for all the violations which have occurred since.

There is little doubt that he is correct about the lie of global warming.

But then we come to the reptilian shape-shifters. It's all well and good blaming the media for focussing on this one aspect of his beliefs to discredit all his others. What did he expect? If I expressed the belief that all other posters on this thread are Venusian elephants, which part of my post would everyone be drawn to? That is not an example of the evils of the press. It is common sense.

It is a great shame that someone who really does have something important to teach humanity has trashed his own credibility with such nonsense.