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#34616
Interesting letter from me to the three Appeal judges five years ago 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
Worth reading - obviously there have been subsequent developments, which is why the ECHR is now considering my case.

Letter sent to the three Appeal Court Judges
Wednesday, 03 September 2003
Jonathan King FF 8782 HMP Elmley, Sheerness, Kent ME12 4AY
1st August, 03

Dear (each individual Judge),

I apologise for writing to you direct, but I only received this month the transcript of your appeal hearing No: 01/5944/x2 from Friday 24th January 2003.

I'm sure, in the interests of justice, you will be disturbed to hear that several details considered by you were wrong. The convictions read out by Mr Justice Holland contained incorrect dates. I noticed, during the original trial and since then, that the prosecution and the court seem very cavalier where dates are concerned, almost as though they do not matter. On the contrary, I believe they are a fundamental ingredient of each indictment and my counsel, Nigel Sweeney QC, did not seem to make this clear in his presentation to you.

With respect, therefore, I've decided to write to you personally stressing my concern.

Four of the six charges had the dates changed by the prosecution at the very end of the trial, after the full defence had been presented. I will just detail one of those instances as an example of the problem and I will select one of the counts which carried the correct, amended dates in your January hearing: COUNT SIX states that I was convicted "of indecent assault on a day between 3rd May 1989 and 4th May 1990 on SH, a male person aged 15".

The initial charge, put to the jury after they were sworn in on September 11th 2001 (not a date when any normal person's mind was on such trivial events as sexual assault) was "between 1 January 1987 and 31 December 1987". As it happens, I don't believe I ever met SH. But my defence depended entirely on the dates included in the indictment. If those dates were not an integral part of the charge, they would not have been included. Whilst it would have been far harder to prove my innocence of an undated charge, I would have approached the defence in a completely different way. I would have attempted to prove that I did not know SH. I would have tracked down and examined his mysterious elder brother, who I don't believe I even met either. I would have attempted to prove that my suspicions on how someone I never met obtained a personal photograph
 
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#34617
BR

Re:Interesting letter from me to the three Appeal judges five years ago 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
What sort of Justice System puts someone on trial for offences committed on a certain date and then changes the dates after a trial has finished - yet an appeal cant be heard.

It is truly shocking and more HARD EVIDENCE that the High Court is carrying out SHOW TRIALS for the New Labour Government to hide their incompetence in law and order.

These years of history will go down in the History Books as very dark days and I am sure that your proof will one day be discussed in history books as another example of how the UK went corrupt and how our legal system became totally bankrupt of honesty and decency.

With the Senior Police now fighting amongst each other on our Front Pages !!! things are reaching an all time low - Presided over by SIR IAN BLAIR - a proven liar - fraudster and now racist.

The UK as a whole - not just our holiday industry - property - stocks - chunnel all seem to be going down the toilet.
 
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#34622
and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
I have been asked to post this, originally put up from prison in 2004 - but subsequent to that, as viewers of the film will know...

the Recorder of London Michael Hyam (who allocated my case to the trial judge and presided over legal arguments pretrial) died, out of the blue, from a heart attack.

Here's that original post from the archives...

Weird or what?
Wednesday, 14 July 2004
Did I tell you about the strange letter I got at Belmarsh almost three years ago? I had many anonymous letters there. A few abusive; some supportive. This one was strange. Written on parchment, it felt, in an old quill pen, but quite readable. The writer was full of distress about my trial. She (I assumed a female) said I was an honest, decent, honourable man and should not worry. I would emerge from this a better and happier person. Then she went on to predict bad karma for those involved. But it was very vague. What caught my attention was when she said "two of the eleven jurors involved in your wrongful conviction will die within three years... indeed, one is already dead".

There was no way I could verify that but what struck me was... how did she know there were only eleven jurors (one walked out in disgust at the considerations of the others on the first day and gave me a sympathetic look when I saw her getting into the lift by the restaurant, but this had not been reported anywhere).

Another prediction stated that "someone not directly involved but who encouraged others to lie will shortly discover a close relation is terminally ill". Some months later I read that Max Clifford's wife had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. A third comment was that "a judge involved in your case, who you met years ago, will die very shortly". I thought that was absurd. I'd never met Judge Paget, the only judge at my trial. However I did peruse the papers, especially when two Old Bailey judges were rumoured to have been caught in Operation Ore (no further news or names on that?).

Last week. Lord Justice Kay died aged 60. In reading his obituary, I discovered he was, in fact, John Kay who had visited me twice at Cambridge, where we were both students in 1964. He had been the presiding judge at my appeal.
Very strange. If you are that person, or wrote that letter, do please contact me at KING (FF8782) HMP Maidstone, County Rd, Kent ME14 1UZ and this time give me your name and address. The other many predictions, involving claimants and police and lawyers, were equally fascinating. I'm not a believer, but this is WEIRD!
 
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#34640
veritas

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
1. Regarding the changes in dates to better suit the prosecution during the trial, and the extraordinary acceptance of that by the judge and by the appeal judges-this has to be a blatant miscarriage of justice.

Being the nosey parker I am and one who thrives on free entertainmet-I sit in the public benches on a lot of trials for all types of offences.On so many occasions-I've witnessed extremely bad prosecution presentations. Usually a judge ( or sometimes a magistrate) will comment upon how bad the case is being presented-when it's a good judge ( which is not always the case). One case I was watching a few weeks ago the defendant was on 3 charges-yet the prosecutor couldn't actually pin down what 2 of them were and asked for a deferrment to which the defence counsel objected. The judge agreed and dismissed the 2 charges and castigated the prosecutor stating the defendant shouldn't have to suffer because of his shoddy work.

Prosecutors of course-are as obligated as defence lawyers and barristers to only present the truth and are forbidden to forment lies or exagerations. Prosecutors who rigidly stand by this are usually hated by the police.

2. KARMA ! I was-if you call it this-brought up in the Christian Spiritualist Church where my mother and her sisters were regular attendants.Services are more or less the same as most Christian churches except cliarvoyants give readings.One thing my mother and aunt constantly drummed into me was the concept of "what goes around comes around"..it's the little old ladies version of KARMA !..and that some ordeals you go through are often a great learning process.

I've always tried to live my life that way. When people do something I consider really bad to me-I may bitch and moan, feel sorry for myself but I never seek revenge. In every matter I can think of where this has happened-the person who wronged me has always come a cropper.

One matter-nearly 30 years ago involved 3 people nearly beating me to death in London and then dumping me in the gutter in Portobello Road.I was visited by a detective in hospital who told me these guys would be up for GBH and probably get prison time.I was stilll in such a state of shock and fear. I said I didn't know who it was-although I did know one of the people who owned a restaurant.

I went off to recupertate and work on a friends property in Shropshire.6 months later I pick up a newspaper and there across the front page was a tale of these very same 3 men. They had been busted in a huge drugs importation case-they had imported kilos of heroin into a deserted country aerodrome in a small plane.Eventually, they got 8 to 12 year each. If I had dobbed them in with my case I have no doubt they wouldn't have ever been involved in this scam-afterall they probably would have got 6 months jail for GBH and not been available !!

don't mess with KARMA !!
 
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#34641
Toby

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
you should check out the recent history of the man who started all this. karma.
 
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#34642
veritas

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
Not sure I get your meaning !

the man who started the thread or the man who started karma ?
 
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#34644
BR

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
MOst famous incident of KARMA is possibly JAQUE De MOLAY the leader of the Knights Templar who was arrested on Friday 13 and put to death by a Pope and a King - and whose dying words were that both would die within a year - as they both did !!!!!

So I am not suprised at all - but nevertheless the whole story is very very very weird........probably the most interesting post about the whole JK saga ! I wonder if you will ever find out who sent it ?

The more people discuss issues like this the more likely we are to see the Justice System standing a chance of reform. Though it does seem in an awful mess.
 
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#34645
Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
I think he's referring to the false accuser who began the investigation into me when he went to Max Clifford eight years ago, Veritas.
 
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veritas

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
I didn't realise it all began with someone going to Max Clifford-I must watch Vile Pervert again.!

The situation of such easy financial rewards being available for those who accuse others of sex crimes against them is out of control.

While I agree with the concept that the State should pay compensation to victims of crime-contrast the easy manner in which a false accuser can be rewarded as opposed to a case reported in the current Private Eye.

Stephen Menary was a 14 year old cadet when he was horribly injured by an IRA bomb in west London.

He was totally blinded, lost and ear and arm and suffered horrific stomach and chest injuries.

After a stressful battle for nearly 8 years he has only just had an agreement from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Agency who tried every manner possible to pay him as little as they could.

I bet those in the armed services injured in Iraq find themselves battling for compo as well.
 
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#34658
barnthebarn

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
JK, I've been following your case (actually because I'm a huge Jon Ronson fan...sorry - though I'm still a little on your side if that helps) and I'm lost...has the initial accuser against you had a warped life lately??? While I'm here I wonder a few things so feel free to answer them JK (I probably won't judge you by them but others might). I keep reding that you were friends with Chris Denning? Any recent contact? From what I understand Denning possibly raped people as young as 10 years old? What about Tam Paton? It seems that he was naughty with money but I'm not convinced he was terribly naughty with boys? Media presents this whole 'club; and sorry if I've missed your views on this but as a 'fan' of sorts I want to know answers. Swindon Survivors are a big fan of Kirk (a victim of yours) but he seems a bit mentally ill - SS themselves are a bit scary. Also: You often talk of past friends here but rarely say if they neglected you after your trial? Iron Maiden man for example. What famous people still give you the time of day? I'm confused. Enlighten?
 
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#34664
Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
Barn; Chris and Tam were business colleagues and Chris was a friend but I haven't met either for 35 years and I'm sure Chris never raped anyone - more tabloid bollocks. That entire Walton Hop ring rubbish was total 100% crap.
It was a terrific time for me in music and the Hop was a brilliant testing ground for new product - the Rollers played there several times.

I was a regular at dozens of discos - nobody mentions the others (best of which was Norman Jay's where I discovered Seaside Shuffle).

Kirk, who I never met until after I was released and the Sun briefly "confronted" me with him, completely made up his story (assisted by the Clifford organisation). He started this entire thing (but never mentioned me at the start - somewhere along the line it seems a celebrity name was needed).

However a lot of genuine abuse victims tend to believe any story - after all, if it happened to them, the stories of others make sense.

Haven't lost a single friend through this - you'd be astonished by the calls and support throughout.

Even Jon Ronson remains in touch.

Vile Pervert; The Musical (thank you for the review) is the documentary I would have made if I'd been Jon. I too am a big fan of his but he's the first to admit his coverage of my case was a serious mistake. It was he who first made the Oscar Wilde comparison - seconds after my initial arrest.
 
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#34673
veritas

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
It's interesting to hear you haven't lost your freinds-that's actually what I would have expected. Friends that I've known who have been on charges for various things have all retained their friends.

Indeed one was a "society" psychiatrist who got hooked on painkillers and was done for writing out prescriptions for himself. Fortunately he didn't get struck off but is prevented from writing out scripts but is still a highly popular doctor.

The difference between what the tabloids write-and reality is vast.
 
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#34678
Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
It has been fascinating - "The Kurse of King"... if only Conan Doyle was still around.

Seriously, some of the events since have been amazing - including other judges (Michael Hyam, see above), senior police chiefs leaving the service "under a cloud", false accusers suffering strokes and heart attacks - even journalists losing jobs.

Of course, over 8 years a lot of these kinds of things are bound to happen especially when, whilst all the media coverage was about "teenage boys", virtually everyone involved on every level was actually then in their 40s, 50s and 60s... with age comes death and disease so perhaps The Kurse of King is just natural ageing processes kicking in.

I prefer to see it as karma.
 
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#34679
Denise

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
After reading this thread I googled Jonathan King and Kirk and was led to Kirk's myspace page. I ended up feeling very sorry for him as he seems quite engulfed by bitterness. I did not get the impression that he was a genuine victim of abuse. Something about his wordings did not seem right. Of course, that's only my opinion.

Also, if he's 52 he isn't that much younger than JK.

I would have to see very strong evidence before I believed such a claim.
 
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#34687
veritas

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
Oh Denise you naughty thing..of course I had to immediately do the same myself out of curiosity.

What strikes me is the savagery of the comments on Kirk's MySpace ( owned by R.Murdoch and purchased with funds provided by Page 3 girls )..all 5 of them...they described JK as a "sad little man" but in fact the only impression I got was that Kirk was the sad little man.

He didn't really put in much of a performance and as far as "ambush TV" goes-it was the mildest I've ever seen. Certainly JK handled it extremely well. Did it ever go out ?..wasn't terribly interesting except for one very revealing comment :

Kirk claims he has been in a "mental prison" for years. If so-why did he choose to put himself in that situation with a tabloid newspaper, cameras etc. ?. I've known many (real)victims of crime ( including myself being nearly beaten to death) and the very last thing I would do and I believe other true victims-is go running to a newspaper and attempting to re-live it all- or re-visit the perpetuators complete with film crew.!

Something doesn't add up ! ( pretty pathetic reporter as well...you could tell his heart wasn't really in it )
 
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#34700
Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
My rather boring My Space...

www.myspace.com/jonathankingofhits
 
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#34708
Mike Willis

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
On You Tube, Kirk has continued to post videos of JK, and it is all relevant to the documentary from Channel 4. The one thing I found weird is that if JK did abuse him, then why on earth, would you shake hands with him. It was also fairly obvious it was a Clifford set-up and also Nick Hornby (not the author) was in on it as well. To my eyes it was blatantly obvious that JK had never met him, I'm not sure what was achieved that day by Kirk.

I thought the News of the World went very low with that deck-chair stunt at Hyde Park and also harassing your mother JK.

As for Jon Ronson, has his opinion changed now JK? His words in the Guardian at the end said 'I have grown to like King but he is guilty'. Seeing that was in 2001, has his opinion changed considering all of the circumstance regarding the case, which has now been brought to light. I know he was in the court, but not everything was revealed.

I just hope that they do hear your case and have your convictions overturned, then other wrongly convicted people can hopefully follow your lead. I am sure that your crusade will continue to helping others as well, if you are successful.
 
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#34709
Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
Like all the media Jon deserted the Old Bailey when my defence started - after all, who wants to hear "I didn't do it"?

Lousy story.

Jon says he was convinced by Nick (whose allegations were rejected by the judge) - indeed Nick was a very close friend for 3-4 years until he reached his 20s. Jon also became persuaded by the onslaught from the police who made a huge effort to befriend him.

Kirk has fallen silent recently.

In his original police statement he said he only met me once. By the time of the TV show that had been increased to "several times". In a Ronson Guardian blog he said he'd dined with me dozens of times. When I pointed this out he suddenly fell silent and appears to have shut up ever since.

In the movie, of course, "Curt" suffers health problems due to bad karma.
 
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#34748
barnthebarn

Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
With regard to Kurt shaking JK's hand - he says that he was told to (by press) and then not let go so that JK could "not escape".

Tam seems somewhat a tragic figure now, surrounded by young men doing chores for him, in tragically ill health and aside from the men and some dogs a recluse. Last I heard Chris was in love with a 14 year old who is locked up for murdering his best friend (though Chris met him out of prison). There seems to be little evidence that he forced himself on anyone but obviously he likes them a little young!

Oh Kirt - what a horrid man. Obviously if he was ever sexually abused then that is terrible but (a) I suspect he was not and (b) what is all the stuff about people should have died in the London bombings on his blog. I was in London (on the tube) on the failed London bombings day (going to meet a Royal no less!) and it is incredibly scary, I would never wish a scare - let alone an actual attack - on anyone (but then I'm not deranged or evil). Its interesting (while a little) that Kirt's book has failed to find a publisher (yet so many 'similar' tales do)...When is Chris's book out (that would be interesting with his expose of the famous men who hired him as a rent boy!!!)

I've met Jon Ronson a few times at book signings - nice guy, and very modest.

Having watched Vile Pervert (and seeing the bland page it had on IMDB) I felt almost obliged to write a review - Incidently I'm meeting Shami of Liberty next month as she is now Vice Chan. of a former Uni, Oxford Brookes!!!
 
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#34749
Re:and by special request... 15 Years, 8 Months ago  
Let's get this correct Barn - the false accuser who went to Max Clifford for medical advice was KIRK - who I never met until the Sun decided to bring us together for the first time.

The totally fictional character in Vile Pervert; The Musical is CURT.

Do give Shami my regards and point her towards that song.
 
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