On that subject JK, have you got any further news on your appeal?

Delays can threaten justice in other types of cases also. On a smaller scale, I know someone who had a customs raid early one morning. They had a warrant to search for pornographic CD-Roms. They didn't find any, because he didn't have any. When he asked why they had picked on him they showed him a photo CD which he had ordered from overseas. It had images of children on it, but fully clothed and perfectly legal. He agreed to allow them to take his computer on the condition they brought it back the next day after examination, because he wanted to show fully that he wasn't involved in that kind of thing.

He later called his solicitor who said that he shouldn't have surrendered his computer because once the authorities have it, anything can happen.

A week later a police officer called on him and said they had found indecent images on the computer and that they might ask him to come in to "talk about it" at a time of mutual convenience.

Then he heard nothing until a year and a half had passed. Police came to his house just before mid-day on a Saturday and arrested him for having indecent images on his computer. They made a joke about how because it was a Saturday his solicitor might not be available. His solicitor was not able to make it as he was away, so advice over the phone was to say absolutely nothing during the interview. When he was shown the printouts he saw that one was very old non sexual b/w nude, as you would see in photography books. Two were backs of boys in their late teens on a nudist beach, and the other was just a shot of a teenage boy from the waist up.

The police then took his other computer and kept it for a couple of months, while he was released on police bail. They then recalled him and revealed they had found other indecent images, of a sexual nature, on the second computer. He was charged and sent through the court process. He elected to go to Crown Court. His barrister enlisted the aid of an expert who found that the sexual images on the second computer had no time or date on, and no record of how they got there. They were also so encrypted that only an expert could make them show up. The Crown Court hearing was postponed three times. The barrister approached the prosecution with the findings of the expert, and they agreed to drop all charges relating to the second computer so long as there was a guilty plea on the lesser images.

Now quite stressed by the lengthy ordeal the defendant agreed to plead guilty to the lesser charges and he was fined

Mike - my appeal is due to be heard by the full European Court next year.

Denise - your story is invaluable - the corruption that goes on is incredible and it is essential people realise how extraordinary this area of society can be. Lives get ruined for no reason and there is never any accountability.

I do suspect things are going to change fairly soon. Too many are becoming aware of the situation.

Thanks for this JK, worth further investigation.


B

Your friend ordered a picture cd from overseas with children on it ?????????
VERY STRANGE

Exactly, Concerned. Photos of happy children playing? Disgusting! Actually I think we should shoot anyone who admits to liking children. Or being parents.

If only there more like you around Concerned.

Ooops. There are.

Our society now tags anyone who works with children a paedophile. That is why they need a CRB Enhanced Check.

We have people like "TONY BENNET" one of the thought henchmen ( Maddie - Barrymore - Islam ) claiming all Islamics are paedophiles in the press and on the UKIP forums.

We have PC people in literary circles claiming LEWIS CARROL was a paedophile because he was part of the Victorian Art scene ( Cherubs etc yukky stuff I might add but not paedo )

We have COUNCIL CHAVS attacking Paedetricians and their property for haveing the word Paed in their job title.

We have a media which will TRY AND ARREST all opposition spokesman and take their Computers - phones etc for "contacts" under the guise of Child Porn investigations.

The RAID on the TORY MP was not about the "offence" - that was trumped up. It was about getting their hands on his contacts - records - life. In order to put the fear of BROWN AND SMITH into every other MP>

In other words it was a warning shot to SHUT UP.

JK and the other celebs in the late 90s early 2000s who were arrested on historic crimes were the guinea pigs for this method of "fitting up" people. I pointed this out years ago on here - saying that eventually it would become more sinister. It is now happening to ordinary people as posts in this thread show.

The POLICE have stopped chasing criminals. They are now chasing ALL OF US !! Basically if they knock on your door - dont talk to them except to be polite. Dont talk to them. They are not the "POLICE" of our youth - they are a sinister armed force of political muppets. They have even left the streets these days to be replaced by PCSOs because they cant be bothered with the public day to day policing. So a civilian "Scarecrow" force now represents them to the people whilst they go around jackbooting their way around people's houses who might pose a threat to them/

How do I know this ?

In FEB this year they did it to me. They took all our office computers and all my phones and all our band videos and all our sequencer discs.

I used to have a couple of photography books with pictures of children in. One had a naked child on the front cover. I was working as a photographer at the time, and I bought these books from high street stores. They didn't raise even an eyebrow back then.

Not sure how things changed so dramatically.

I understand that a few million people bought the Angela's Ashes video/dvd. That movie has a scene where young children are naked, so millions of people have images of naked children in their houses. That sort of puts things into context a bit, and we have to wonder why having a couple of such images on your computer is so different.

I guess I should add that I never actually took photos of naked children. My models were somewhat older, and clothed.

But I see that the children on the photo-cd in question were fully clothed, and that he was given it back after the trial, so it can't have been illegal.