http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7851794.stm

Following a stabbing in one Liverpool bar last week, extra "security" has been implemented. There are now quite a few bars in the city centre of Liverpool operating "search" measures. How long will it be before this applies to ALL bars and pubs?

Here is the absurdity of this particular pub... the main Liverpool Police department is on the next block, a minutes walk away and this particular square has the Law Courts seconds away. There is CCTV all over the place around this square (it's also home to the infamous Queen Victoria statue which now has a barrier round it so nobody can go near it) The Police wouldn't let the bar re-open until MORE security was added...

I no longer go to any bars or pubs in Liverpool city centre because I want to relax and have a nice quiet drink... not be harassed and molested by moronic "security". It's bound to result in ever more pub shutdowns.

In fact the last week or so has seen a serious increase in Police presence during the daytime in the city centre in Liverpool. I really do not like it. The chav brigade continue to run amok riding bikes all over the paths and pedestrian only areas and generally being intimidating and obnoxious but they never get stopped or dealt with... it's the likes of you and me who are being pulled over for "questioning", searches and general harassment. All in the name of "protection" of course.

I think the POLICE intentionally are creating ghettos where the "Chav" population are in control. Ordinary people are being forced out.

I feel sorry in some ways for pubs that they have to be like a fortress.

Even chip shops in London now have to have a SIA person at weekends if they open late at night in some areas.

This anti-social behaviour is always tolerated by the Police. They never arrest and charge the people who basically rampage around many City Centres on weekends.

What is the answer ?

I really dont know - but I agree totally with what you are saying and recognise it as true.

I just don't go out during the evenings anymore. In Lincoln, up the Bailgate (which is by the cathedral and very up hill) was the best place to go, because the morons were non existent (due to prices up there) but even now "security" is all over the place.

If I want a beer I'll just pop to the supermarket and get a bottle of real ale.