www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6390069.ece

Stunning news that Labour is now behind UKIP and their poll vote has dropped to just 16% of the electorate and is falling every week.

Brown and Smith are evil - they have destroyed the country and now they are destroying the Labour Party.

Not a single minister has resigned over the expenses scandal - or even apologised and so the row is going to deepen for Labour.

It could be total wipeout in the Euro Elections - and then the General Election will see Labour reduced to a handful of seats in their strongholds - perhaps less than 50 seats.

Labour is finished. The only way Brown can now stage a comeback is by starting a war or holding a terror attack............in the hope that he can cling to power in a national emergency.......

I can't believe anyone in their right mind would vote UKIP, or as I call them- BNP-light.

I worked at canvassing for the Tories back in the dark days of 95-97.Exactly the same feeling now for labour.They'll do badly at the europeans,but probally not so badly at a general.

While being clearly fed of of Smith/Harman/Brown and his annoying Balls:laugh: I do not happen to think Cameron will be much better.Changes sound great in campaigns,but look at Obama with his ethical promises,has it changed much?

As for the UKIP,I was in fact a supporter before my charges.However it now appears the EU is a much greater safeguard of my civil liberties,so on reflection my stance has changed.
The BNP,UKIP and the like are protest vote catchers.Any rise in popularity will result in one of the mainstream parties moving in that political direction so as not to loose votes.For example the tories under maggie becoming more right wing in the late 70s after the rise of the NF.

Finally don't forget why people can protest vote better in EU elections,the proportional representation effect.This doesn't exist at the general elections.At present that system favours labour over the tories.
The election is probally lost for labour,but Brown will hang on till the last,like Major before him,and try to milk the system to protect his legacy.

I worked at canvassing for the Tories back in the dark days of 95-97.Exactly the same feeling now for labour.They'll do badly at the europeans,but probally not so badly at a general.

While being clearly fed of of Smith/Harman/Brown and his annoying Balls:laugh: I do not happen to think Cameron will be much better.Changes sound great in campaigns,but look at Obama with his ethical promises,has it changed much?

As for the UKIP,I was in fact a supporter before my charges.However it now appears the EU is a much greater safeguard of my civil liberties,so on reflection my stance has changed.
The BNP,UKIP and the like are protest vote catchers.Any rise in popularity will result in one of the mainstream parties moving in that political direction so as not to loose votes.For example the tories under maggie becoming more right wing in the late 70s after the rise of the NF.

Finally don't forget why people can protest vote better in EU elections,the proportional representation effect.This doesn't exist at the general elections.At present that system favours labour over the tories.
The election is probally lost for labour,but Brown will hang on till the last,like Major before him,and try to milk the system to protect his legacy.

more proof that David Icke is possibly correct and that Tony Blair was inhabited by a "reptile".

Not only has he basically destroyed the Labour Party and possibly changed politics in the UK for the worse for all time, the evil he helped unleash along with George Bush will have untold repercusions.

Stand by for the next move..an unholy alliance between the far right and far left.

I'll happily vote UKIP at the Euro Election. It's my protest against EU membership. People assume that the European Court of Human Rights means that the EU is a betters safeguard of civil liberties but the two are unconnected. The EU is one of the most undemocratic regimes since the USSR. Decisions are made by unelected commisioners, not by the elected MEPs. They impose laws which we cannot oppose.

I don't see UKIP as a genuine option for government, but in the EU election they'll get my vote for sure.

Not only has he basically destroyed the Labour Party and possibly changed politics in the UK for the worse for all time, the evil he helped unleash along with George Bush will have untold repercusions.

Veritas, I really believe that the ZanuLabor project was all about imprinting their vile culture upon the country in the shortest space of time possible.

I can imagine Tony Blair telling Brown back in 97 'Listen Gordon, we've got to create an artificial boom long enough for us to wreck British society. If you can deliver it for a decade or so we can persuade the idiots to re-elect us a couple of times. That should give us enough time to systematically destroy every worthwhile British institution and cultural value before everything crashes and the fools finally realise they have been hoodwinked and kick us out'.

The conservatives are now simply New New Labor and the liberal democrats are the new new conservatives.

My lasting memory of when Britain joined the then Common Market ('73?) is that London, in 5 years , went from being the cheapest city in Europe to the most expensive.

The EU has been a disaster for the UK. I cant think of anything except the Human Rights Court ( which is powerless to stop Jackboot Jacqui as we have now found ) that the EU has done for the UK ?

The UK education and housing has been overwhelmed by the free movement of labour within the EU. Leading ultimately to mass unemployment in Germany and the UK - where all the workforces of the poorer countries have moved into pushing out the local populations who are lesser skilled or not willing to work for such poor pay.

UKIP therefore have taken this anger - which is real in working class areas - and the working classes ( or non working ) see UKIP as the only party representing their view. I can see that - it is not a matter of ideology. It is because the three main parties are upper middle class and disconnected from them.

I can see our society falling apart because the implications of the last 10 years of Labour and EU mismanagement are mass unemployment - whole estates without work - on a scale even bigger than that of the 1980s when we hit the recession back then.

UKIP have many distasteful views for those of us with "liberal" values - but they are a party that are standing up for the millions who are losing their jobs. Therefore they could suprise everyone and overtake the Conservatives if this expenses row continues.......now that would be a turn up and it has been created by the worst Government this country has seen in its history - and its worst ever PM.

veritas wrote:
My lasting memory of when Britain joined the then Common Market ('73?) is that London, in 5 years , went from being the cheapest city in Europe to the most expensive.
That's an interesting point - unfortunately my Google-Fu is weak

Any references to this increase in expenditure due to the EU (or whatever they called it then) in 1973 please?