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Legal Challenge To Operation Ore verdicts!!
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#46713
Legal Challenge To Operation Ore verdicts!! 14 Years, 10 Months ago  
Something to do with stolen credit card details. This could be embarrassing to the government.



www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/02/web-ch...se-inquiry-challenge
 
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#46719
Re:Legal Challenge To Operation Ore verdicts!! 14 Years, 10 Months ago  
This is a crucial and vital case and goes to the heart of the media and legal perception that we are a nation of perverts.

Key line in the piece is "the vast majority pleaded guilty".

That's what all potential sex offenders are told to do at trial because, with no evidence, they will certainly be found guilty and get much longer sentences.

Check out my song Plead Guilty.
 
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#46720
Re:Legal Challenge To Operation Ore verdicts!! 14 Years, 10 Months ago  
Funnily enough neither of my solicitors even mentioned pleading guilty.But saying that they've not even got round to giving a trial date,or making anything but the most basic disclosure.
Maybe later on I'll be offerred a deal? I won't take it though,you really do have to stand up for justice.
 
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#46721
Re:Legal Challenge To Operation Ore verdicts!! 14 Years, 10 Months ago  
It will be during the trial IA (if there is one; fingers crossed it gets dropped) and you will be tempted (2 years instead of 8-10 was the suggestion to me).
 
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#46722
Re:Legal Challenge To Operation Ore verdicts!! 14 Years, 10 Months ago  
Just a question JK,do they offer to drop some charges if you plead guilty to others?
I know the USA has legal plea bargins,but wasn't sure how it works in the UK.
 
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#46723
Re:Legal Challenge To Operation Ore verdicts!! 14 Years, 10 Months ago  
It can be that (before the trial, between CPS and your solicitor) or a deal during the trial (depending on how it's looking)...

Notice the solicitor in the Ore case IA?
 
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#46726
Emma Bee

Re:Legal Challenge To Operation Ore verdicts!! 14 Years, 10 Months ago  
In the only case I've been close to, a colleague was arrested and told it was for attempted rape of a young girl. During questioning at the police station he was told that the charges "might not" have to be attempted rape but that "maybe" he could be looking at a lesser charge of sexual assault. He refused to plead guilty to any charge because he said that he was innocent and he had total confidence that he would be cleared.

At the trial, despite there being no evidence against him other than the allegation, he was found guilty. Quite a number of us who witnessed this lost confidence in the judial system that day. He was treated as guilty and expected to prove otherwise. His faith in the system had been his downfall.

After the trial one of the arresting officers confided in me that he thought my colleague "probably" wasn't guilty, but the decision isn't about whether the accused is guilty or not, it's about whether the CPS think they have a realistic chance of getting a conviction.

Because the sentence was four year he's on the register for life. Denied right to appeal. If he'd been guilty and taken the option of a lesser charge he'd be walking about free as a bird now. Our legal system is completely screwed up.
 
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#46731
veritas

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