www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/baby-p/6...d-Steven-Barker.html

The next installment,the baying mob come out after the names are published.

While I have little doubt of guilt,the trials were a fiasco,especially the rape one.Nobody could prove who did what,and so these verdicts are weak,and could quite rightly be challenged on appeal.

Justice has to be seen to be done,not sneaked in the backdoor.This purely highlights how weak and feeble the police state really is on these type of matters.Capable of 'trawling' to make up abuses to look effective on crime,but incapable of stopping many real abuses,and then incapable of punishing them properly.

Obviously this should never have got to this stage, however it's the sort of thing which is likely to happen again.

I work with public sector organisations and it seems a typical trait that no one seems to want to take responsibility for anything - I often feel very lucky to have contacted a person who decides to take the bull by the horns and sees a problem through to the end. Most of the time, complacency and buck passing is the norm and in that situation, simple things seem to be impossible to sort out which is at the most, frustrating. It's possibly a similar culture at Haringey Council, but my frustration is insignificant compared to this dreadful case, where the 'end customer' was this poor child. I imagine there are a number of people at Haringey Council or the local police service who are either content to think that 'It wasn't my fault as I passed this onto X' or there are others who are living with the guilt of not speaking out or doing enough.

I hate this development; the only reason has to be salaciousness.

It's a good story!

No other point whatsoever - just to titillate our 21st Century nasty natures. We love vengeance, punishment, vitriol, hatred...

Kids? We, as a society, don't give a fuck about them.

Daddy P,as for 'legal' reasons he can't be named is seeking a big wad of cash for the trauma involved,and it looks like the loons over at Haringey may well give it to save their continued embarresment.

Ann Widdecombe,amongst others has questioned why he must get paid out,for example he criticised the council for not spotting these injuries,but he had him regularly,and also either didn't spot them,or accepted lame duck excuses for them.

Cash won't bring your baby back,and the fact that you just sat around and witnessed all this torture,yet did nothing isn't exactly a fair criteria for the arrival of a large dollop of our hard earned tax money.

Only an idiot,or worse would accept on face value an excuse for his son's fingernails having been removed.

This whole thing sickens,compensation culture vultures.

By releasing the names we now have to pay £1 million for special accom in the jails for these three. In addition the bill for change of name etc after coming out of prison could reach £10 million.

What good came out of revealing these people ? nothing. They are now going to cost all of us many millions of pounds which could have been spent on extra social workers.

This is medieval style justice - why not go the whole way and hand them over to a crowd of self righteous New Labour Chavs to rip them apart in front of a paying audience live on Channel 4.

Our society STINKS.

Poor BABY P got no justice in life and now no justice in death.

These three people were educationally subnormal - they had been abused themselves. They were just carrying on doing what they had known when they were little. They needed support from the AUTHORITIES not the lack of interest that was shown. Supposedly their house stank of urine and was a tip - how could that happen if it was being visited by Social Workers ? Surely the child should have been removed immediately in that situation ?

We treat our children and old people like throwaway possessions in the UK. The POLICE are more interested in taking DNA from kids rather than protecting them.

All posters seem to agree 100% on the insanity of naming the names and the sheer nasty greed of Daddy P (who I think should be prosecuted himself).

Yet the meejah ("it's a good story") and Justice and most Politicos appear to go along with the barmy minority.

Is Society totally out of step with Society?

We really do need to start from scratch.

JK2006 wrote:
All posters seem to agree 100% on the insanity of naming the names and the sheer nasty greed of Daddy P (who I think should be prosecuted himself).

Yet the meejah ("it's a good story") and Justice and most Politicos appear to go along with the barmy minority.

Is Society totally out of step with Society?

We really do need to start from scratch.

'There's no such thing as society'

Frightening though it may sound I'm tempted to agree with Maggie more and more on this one.There appears to be a whole load of weirdos who certainly do not fit into my idea of reality.

Unfortuantely I made the mistake of reading the local cafe's copy of the Sun whilst waiting my breakfast.
Front page headline about Mummy P,few new pics,and of course a dollop of nonsense gossip about her sexual antics,oh and not forgetting how they'd interviewed prisoners' visitors to find out all about the violence they were going to meet out to her.

This paper is nothing short of stirring up trouble,and we as taxpayers will have to foot the bill for extra security etc.

I really do feel that the gutter press will get worse here,and will plummet to ever greater depths of depravity.

There is certainly a frightening trend here, but it's nothing new. The braying mob snatched Caesar's body and burned it in the Forum. The braying mob smashed the windows of Jewish shops on Krystalnacht. The braying mob burned a paediatrician's house down. What do all the braying mobs have in common? A misplaced sense of their own righteousness and an unwillingness on the part of the media to condemn their actions as wholly unacceptable. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the whole of society is venal {although almost daily I seem to become more inclined toward misanthropy}. But I would say that a large proportion of it is - and always has been - sick. Stupid people whose lives are touched by neither grace nor inspiration have always behaved like this. We should condemn them as much as we condemn the criminal. Braying mobs never achieve anything other than the instant thrill of smashing something. I write this on the day that hysterical Americans {and quite a few Brits} are wishing in the most unChristian way that a sick and dying man should remain in jail until his agonising demise. And on the day after learning of a website where supposedly civilised people are invited to detail the ways in which they would like to torture the killers of Baby P. They are, apparently, queueing up to make their sadistic suggestions. No charity, no thought, just vengeance, cold, cruel and remorseless. And the official response to the witchhunts, the vendettas and the vigilantes? None. Explicitly complacent and positively complicit in the barbarity by the implication of its thundering silence. The print media is even worse, actively encouraging the violence and promoting an atmosphere of hate against those who do the wrongs which so titillate their readership.
Are we, as a society, sick? Make your own mind up. I certainly have.