www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6790067.ece

A report on their first "peaceful demonstration". They are linked to various football hooligan groups so it is clearly what type they want to attract.

Maybe - but it is dangerous for a society to give the working class no voice.

When that happened in Germany in the 1920s look what happened.

These people feel dispossessed in their own country - whether they are right or wrong that is how they feel.

They represent a huge number of people who feel that they have worked for a large part of their lives only to be thrown on the scrapheap by the Brown government. They dont see the Tories or Liberals offering them anything either.

So they have taken to the streets.

For these people it is simple.

The Terror Threat comes from Islam - it is pumped out on their TVs every day by the BBC and SKY. Yet not a single party is doing anything about it - they fight a war in Afganistan ( That does nothing except send home 18 year old working class English lads ) - they do CCTV and ID cards and restrict the freedom ( not of Islamics ) but THEIR FREEDOMS. They have lost their FREEDOMS because of the terrorists.

So what do they do ? What hope is there for them ? How can they show their anger and frustration ?

Despite their Working Class - their lower than average IQ - their shaved heads and penchant for beer not fancy drinks - these people work hard for all of us - they give their lives in our armed forces and if someone invaded us we would look to them for help.

They are looking towards the "Intellectual classes" for help and for JUSTICE - and just to be noticed and their views to be counted.

I dont see that happening - and so I cant blame them. They are not thugs in the sense of the word that I recognise. They are disenfranchised voters who are protesting in the only way that gets noticed.

The Politicians ignore them at their peril - and so do the rest of us. These riots are the start - ignoring the problem and following the media in bad mouthing the working class is not the answer. In the USA they are on the brink of civil war because of this divide - we dont want that here.

They're Nazis. It's very simple. And we shouldn't make excuses for them.

Anyone feeling dispossessed or disenfranchised in their own country {and, God knows I know something about that}
still has a voice, a brain, and a hand to write.

It depresses me to hear the usual nonsense argument that they are not being heard by the established political parties. The fact is that none of the established parties are saying what these people want to hear:
Deport Pakkis and Eastern Europeans, persecute homos, nonces and other degenerates, eradicate anyone racially inferior and - above all - make England {and isn't it funny how these people who claim to love "England" forget the part the Welsh, Irish and Scots played in the long-lost days that they wish to return to} "great" again.

We should not forget the lessons history gives us. The fact that the Tories, Liberal Democrats and New Labour are "out of touch" with the baying mob
is irrelevent. Sympathise with these people - or vote BNP as a "protest" {and how many people voted for Hitler as a "protest" against the failing Weimar Republic and incendiary inflation, do you imagine?} and you declare sympathy for a Nazi agenda. Plain and simple.

I have no time for Nazis. Or anyone who supports them or makes any excuse for them.

BR, you don't seem to have a very high opinion of the "working class" as you call them. You seem to think they are all rather stupid and easily duped by racist ranting.

My father came from very poor "working class" roots but is a very clever man.

what "class" would you put yourself in?

I dont believe in class.

I dont believe that people who demonstrate are either Nazis or Terrorists ( Locked Out calls people names when they oppose his view of the world )

I study History and Politics. My 3 degrees are in that as I have said numerous times.

The Working class as a whole have a lower IQ ( of course individuals within the working class may be very clever ) That is easily provable with the GCSE results when mapped against Social Class. There are many sociological studies which prove this. Google is your friend.

Sad to say these are not my opinions. They are based in fact and research.

I am not going to write academic essays on here every time I post an opinion - no one else does. Look up the research for yourself and dont be so lazy. Find me something that disagrees with my view if you so wish - prove YOUR view is right.

The EDL are not fascists. They are dispossessed ordinary football fans. Those outside fuel plants and steel plants are probably old Labour supporters. How you can call them fascist is beyond me - they probably would not be able to determine what fascism actually is.

How about Locked Out explaining how the EDL are NAZIs. They have no power - they dont implement a surveillance state ( like BROWN ) they dont have control over the POLICE ( the SS and Brown ) they dont have any beliefs in racial purity ( just fair treatment of everybody ).

They went to a pub for a drink - the violence came because they were attacked. The NAZIs were always the ATTACKERS. They disrupted other parties.

The BNP is a right wing organised party - they will love this - these ordinary English people will be pushed towards their party because the media does not show who they are.

We live in dangerous times because our ruling Junta is unelected - they dont listen to the needs of the ordinary people of the UK.

All humans regardless of IQ and political beliefs deserve to be heard as long as they dont push their beliefs on other people. That is what used to called DEMOCRACY.

Sad to say we have engineered a PC STATE where anyone who does not agree with BROWN is described as RACIST or NAZI or FASCIST or RIGHT WING. When the truth is miles away from that - remember these blokes are probably Labour voting card carrying trade union members.

oh dear.

You can't be serious. A whole section of society can simply be written off by our resident Nazi apologist as having a lower IQ {it must be true, because BR says it's been "proved" - presumably by the same people who claim that "women/Negros/Jews/Slavs have smaller brains"}. Astounding. The idiocy reaches new heights.

Let's look at three of your recent statements:

"it is dangerous for a society to give the working class no voice."

"The Working class as a whole have a lower IQ."

"I dont believe in class."

So you are claiming that a strata of society are; a) having their rightful views denied a voice, b) essentially more stupid than the higher social classes and c) a completely fanciful group of people who don't really exist.

I wouldn't claim to be a great believer in "working" {or otherwise} class as an overall definer of any large group within an aspirational society either. I believe that, to a greater or lesser extent people make their own luck. The country is full of entrepreneurs with solidly working class backgrounds.
But I'm completely unclear as to exactly what you believe because, as usual, you contradict yourself at every turn.

You present us with this picture;
"Despite their Working Class {hold on, you don't believe in "class"} - their lower than average IQ - their shaved heads and penchant for beer not fancy drinks - these people work hard for all of us - they give their lives in our armed forces and if someone invaded us we would look to them for help" who are "looking towards the "Intellectual classes" for help and for JUSTICE - and just to be noticed and their views to be counted."

I'm sure that this is exactly the same picture presented to the German people of the SA in the 20s and 30s. Beer swilling and street fighting appear to be something both groups of have in common. I'm sure that Horst Wessel would claim exactly the same "honest" motivations you are keen to present to us as being held by the English Defence League.

Excuse me, but your posting comes across as a defence of a far right group and should not go unchallenged.
Is this what you truly believe? That I am unjustly condemning the EDL as being a far right group with a white anglo saxon-centric standpoint? You appear to know much more about them and their membership than I do. You are possibly even a subscriber to that membership. To be honest I find groups like this too repellant to study very closely. You, it is clear, are much more sympathetic to their cause and agenda.