It is time everyone woke up to the BBC propaganda.

People ( 1 million ) who vote for the BNP are not evil - they are like you and me. Human beings created by God. People who are capable of love and creation.

Likewise, the BNP need to realise that people of all colours and faiths are beautiful human creations.

We need to live together - we need to understand each other. Most of us live happily side by side.

The BBC has put back race relations last night by 30 years. They have not allowed any debate about any issues - rather than do that they have intentionally fanned the flames of hate between races.

Why have the BBC done this >?

They have done this because NEW LABOUR are finished and unpopular. Their only hope is to create chaos in the country and turn neighbour onto neighbour - in the hope that in the fall out they can climb back to the top of the pile.

This disgusts me - the language of JACK STRAW is always the langauage of HATE. The man has no love for anyone ( except himself ) and the TORY minister seemed to be self obsessed as well. The Liberal on the programme seemed to be out of touch with reality. The audience were from "central casting" direct from the New Labour Fringe conference. Baying and shouting like a mob.

Nick Griffin needs to be stopped - BY DEBATE - by showing people he is wrong. But last night he came across as the moderate - as the person who had common sense. As a person NOT full of hate.

Our society is close to breaking down because the BBC and New Labour are playing a very dangerous game. Setting different parts of society against each other in order to gain some advantage. This divide and rule policy never works. It leads to disaster and it is essential that people dont get swayed by what is going on.

We need to look straight forward and continue to love each other. Continue to be tolerant of each other and dismiss the language of WAR that New Labour speaks.

Note : Griffin accused the Tories and NL of planning to invade IRAN next year. Neither denied this. Very worrying indeed. Looks as if the ELITE plan to take IRAN next in their World Domination crusade. That more than any BNP meeting will cause stress in the UK next year..........we need to be ready for this and fight together with Islam to stop our ELITE doing this. We need to come together not be divided.

OK.
Having made a choice on which "Question Time" thread to make my comments on {and do there really need to be this many?} here goes. I apologise to anyone I insult or offend.
Firstly, let me say that I have no time for Nick Griffin. His politics stink and his attempts to turn fascism into a mainstream political philosophy turn my stomach. But the BBC, having made their choices, decided to allow him airtime. Or rather, they didn't.
What I found offensive about last night's QT was the bullyboy tactics employed by both the panel and the chairman alike. I'd hoped - in vain, as it turned out - that Griffin would be allowed to make his points fully enough for him to trip himself up. Give a man like that enough rope and... well, you know what comes next. Unfortunately the smart left audience in the smart left studio, in collusion with a panel more interested in outsmarting him than tackling point by point his odious creed, ensured that what resulted was a hysterical rant not by a fascist thug but by a ramped up audience and a panel who only actually appeared to be qualified to represent themselves as apologists for a discredited system. Criticism of Griffin making attempts to remodel the BNP is fine. But perhaps that criticism might carry more weight were it not presented by people like the Liberal Party {in recent years rebranded as "Liberal Democrat"}, "New" Labour and that fascinating group of people who now try to sell themselves under the banner of "Modern Conservatism".
If the pot is going to call the kettle black it really should make sure it's gleaming inside. Given the current crisis of confidence within each and every one of our Parliamentary parties' finacial shenanigins, perhaps it would have been better for these kettles to remain diplomatically quiet. Chris Huhne's biography makes a less than morally defensible read, while Jack Straw can {indeed does and has - consistantly} lie his way through any interview he gives. Baroness Warsi is an unknown commodity when it comes to reprehensibility, so I'll leave her out of this one. Bonnie Greer {pardon me} appeared to be there for little more reason than to chide Griffin in a schoolmarmish sort of way. As for Dimbleby's contribution to the debate...? It should maybe be pointed out that a chairman's job is to moderate and keep order. Is that an accurate description of what he was dong last night? Much as I hate to defend Griffin or his sick party, I have to say that it's a bit rich that all three major Parties have sacrificed every scrap of the conviction that shaped and defined their creeds and policies on the alter of career and crass popularism. The mad scramble for the "middle ground" has only resulted in an immeasurably bland parliament overseeing an equally conviction-free population. The age, 50 years on from the film, of "I'm Alright, Jack. Give us a celebrity to worship and a pedo to hate and we'll be happy as pigs in sh*t" is here, and it appears to have taken up permanent residence.
There has been much talk of Churchill lately. He'd hate this. And while we're on the subject of hate...
It's the BNP's proud boast that more than one million UK voters put their cross against BNP candidates' names at this year's EU elections. We should, in all fairness, ask "why?". There were perfectly good alternative candidates {and personally I voted Green} for the disgruntled "protest" voter. The argument that one million people voted BNP as a protest is about as convincing as the Allies' discovery of the total absense of Germans who had ever voted National Socialist. There are only two possibilities as to why one million voters appended their crosses to BNP candidates. Either they share that vile philosophy {or a significant proportion of it, or they are simply too stupid to learn the lessons of history. I wonder how many people voted NSDAP in 1933 as a "protest" against the Weimar Republic. I'm too aware of my own cynicism to be able to work it out for myself, so perhaps one of you can help me. Do we have at least one million Nazi sympathisers here or do we have one million people who are - to put it bluntly - too stupid to be trusted with their suffrage?
I watched last night's programme with a mixture of distaste for ALL the participants.There should have been a moral victory. Given the track records of those involved perhaps I shouldn't have expected very much. I just have this feeling that when the dust has settled and the papers have stopped misquoting people and generally lying about what actually happened all that will be remembered is what Dianne Abbott, appearing on This Week imediately afterwards, put into a context missing from QT... "5 people ganging up on someone". I hope not, for given the choice between the BNP and the status quo I'd rather have the latter, lousy though it is.
Democracy {and here's Churchill again} is the least worst system. But last night didn't show a triumph for democracy. Indeed, it didn't show democracy at work at all.
Fascism is evil. It must be shown to be evil. And the best way to do that is for it to be allowed to show its true face. QT, last night, missed that golden opportunity, and I fear that next time those one million idiots cast their vote for the BNP they won't be alone.

I absolutely agree with your brilliant post LO; the entire episode stank and nobody came out of it with any credit. Least of all us.

But worse than that, I suspect everyone involved, from protesters to BNP to BBC to panelists to my old school companion Dimbleby, feels smugly satisfied with themselves.

Did you finally watch it then, JK?

Nope Al; just the first few minutes and the subsequent coverage.

It was always going to be one of two things - a reasoned discussion of various topics with comments from people (I'm bored by that) or a hate fest (not for me)...

Excellent post LO. Agree with most of what you say and you have summed it up very well Enjoyed reading your post very much - thank you.

I didn't watch a minute of it - have never watched Question Time since tyhe prog immediately after Sept 11th when the Yank Ambassador was attacked by the audience and the BBC later apologised and said they should have edited the programme (what point is a live debate if we only get edited highlights?)

Having said that, and considered the matter carefully I decided that the Beeb were right to let the ogre onto the programme - it is not up to them to decide WHICH politicians we should listen to and which we should not.

(I only wish they had not failed to broadcast the recent appeal for help for the Palestinians - as that WAS a deliberate attempt to curry favour).

The real fault as to why Griffin was on QT lies with the voters and no one else - they failed to turn out in their millions at the Euro elections and thereby opened the door to the BNP.