especially the Mail whose readers are closet BNP voters who pretend to be Tories - fine by the Mail which manages to criticise the BBC (the Mail, like News International, considers the Beeb the real enemy).

The Mail does it brilliantly; the Sun does it badly.

95% of the UK population agree with the BNP about the immigration problem. Outside London it is 100%.

62% agree with the BNP that we should leave Afganistan within a year.

100% agree that Jack Straw is an idiot and New Labour are fascist - more fascist than the BNP

99% Disagree with the BNP on their race policies of re-patriation etc.

Therefore it is readers of all papers who agree with the BNP.

22% say they may vote BNP - this is more than the Liberal Democrats have been getting and only 3% less than NEW LABOUR in recent opinion polls.

The BNP are speaking up for the ordinary people of the UK who dont like the EU - who dont want the social problems unlimited immigration is bringing to the UK - who dont want war against other countries.

The BNP have cleverly positioned themselves on the side of the UK public by listening to them. NEW LABOUR and the NEW TORIES and the LIBERALS all are "arrogant Know all" who have been ignoring the UK public on the major issues.

We were promised a REFERENDUM on LISBON TREATY - but we wont get one. CAMERON has not got the guts to pull us out of the LISBON TREATY. He lacks any bottle and is a puppet like BROWN. The BNP say they will.

ID CARDS are more racist by the way than any BNP policy - these cards that NEW LABOUR want identify us by not only race by many other things as well. They are BIOMETRIC. Yet I dont see people complaining about ID Cards in the same way they complain about this.

Finally - lets compare the RACE POLICIES of each party :

CONSERVATIVES : 0 foreigners killed but voted for the IRAQ and AFGAN war which has killed ONE MILLION foreigners because of their race and religion.

NEW LABOUR : 1 million Islamics killed because of their race and religion in illegal wars.

BNP : 0 foreigners killed and a promise not to fight these wars - so a promise to stop killing foreigners unless they invade our country.

Which is the RACIST party out of these three parties ?

Too many people are believing the SPIN by the media and the demonising of the BNP. Look at the facts. They are compelling to say that POLITICS in the uK has been turned on its head. The BNP are the LEAST RACIST party in the UK at the moment. Our other parties have become EXTREMIST parties against the poor ISLAMICS of the World. That is HOW FORIEGN COUNTRIES outside Europe and USA see the UK - you can all carry on kidding yourself how we want peace etc. but the reality is that we have killed ONE MILLION innocent people.

BR wrote:

Which is the RACIST party out of these three parties ?

Too many people are believing the SPIN by the media and the demonising of the BNP.

Hmm, let me think...

there is one party which is in favour of creating a sub-group in society called 'ethnic foreigners', containing thousands of people who were born in the uk and encouraging them to leave for some country they have never lived in.

that same party has just been forced to change its constitution as it would not allow black or Asian people to join.

now who would that be?

wake up and smell the coffee.

No, no BR, 22% say they are "considering' whether to vote for the BNP or, presumably, the Greens, Tories, Lib Dems or Raving Monster Loony Party.

I, for one, am considering this. If asked, at the moment, there's not a chance in hell I'd vote BNP and very little chance I'll vote for anyone. But that puts me in the 22% "considering". As opposed to the 78% who apparently intend to vote without "considering".

99.72 percent of statistics are utter balderdash.

"95% of the UK population agree with the BNP about the immigration problem. Outside London it is 100%."

Really? You mean there are only 5% of us here in the provinces who aren't hate-filled xenophobes?

62% agree with the BNP that we should leave Afganistan within a year."


Please don't lump my opinion in with those guys. It was arrived at via a completely different set of thought processes which aren't based on hatred. I don't "agree" with the BNP any more than I'd "agree" with Heinrich Himmler if he told me that flies aren't neccessarily good things to have in your kitchen.

[i]"100% agree that Jack Straw is an idiot and New Labour are fascist - more fascist than the BNP"
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New Labour are totalitarian in priciple, authoritarian in practice. I have, however, yet to see any evidence that they base their manifestoes on the principles of racial superiority. I'd agree with the proposal that Jack Straw is an idiot {indeed I'd go farther}. But, once again, this oinion should not be seen as any kind of evidence that I agree with the BNP. I'd rather have New Labour to be honest. And that's saying something. At least they don't want to hang people like me.

"99% Disagree with the BNP on their race policies of re-patriation etc."

That's like saying "I agree that you should fix my car, but I'm not prepared to pay for your labour" The race issue is a central tenet of BNP policies and thinking. If you don't want to pay the price, don't employ the guy to do the work.

"Therefore it is readers of all papers who agree with the BNP."
I agree. There are fascists, racists and idiots within the readership of every newspaper in the country. I just don't see what your point is.

"22% say they may vote BNP - this is more than the Liberal Democrats have been getting and only 3% less than NEW LABOUR in recent opinion polls."

So the normally stupid readership of the above newspapers is being even sillier than usual. Does that mean they support some BNP policies? Or does it mean they supposrt ALL BNP policies? Or does it mean {as I suspect} that they haven't actually got a clue WHAT they fucking well believe?

"The BNP are speaking up for the ordinary people of the UK who dont like the EU - who dont want the social problems unlimited immigration is bringing to the UK - who dont want war against other countries."


The BNP are not "speaking up" for anyone other than themselves and their twisted philosophies. There are vast numbers of people out there who "don't like" the EU for a variety of reasons, not all of them wholesome. Personally I have no problems with the EU, I find the rest of Europe less closed-minded than the UK, with far more interesting food and culture. It doesn't surprise me that there are still hundreds of thousands if Little Eng{er}landers out there. But I would argue that a good proportion of even them would not claim that the BNP represents either their views or their interests.

"The BNP have cleverly positioned themselves on the side of the UK public by listening to them. NEW LABOUR and the NEW TORIES and the LIBERALS all are "arrogant Know all" who have been ignoring the UK public on the major issues."


A fascinating viewpoint, but fundamentally flawed. What they are doing is exploiting populism. Like the NSDAP before them They've identified a few groups of scapegoats and hung them up before the Great Unwashed as examplars of what is wrong with this country. The Nazis identified the Jews, Communists and those who they termed "sub humans". The BNP have selected Muslims, immigrants and sex offenders {in fact any kind of criminal - repentent or not is, in the words of Nick Griffin - "vermin"}. To a lesser extent this is a practice engaged in by all political parties. It's not new and it's not exclusive to the BNP. It's the oldest {and most transparent} trick in the book.

"We were promised a REFERENDUM on LISBON TREATY - but we wont get one. CAMERON has not got the guts to pull us out of the LISBON TREATY. He lacks any bottle and is a puppet like BROWN. The BNP say they will."


Oh dear, there go those capitals again. Here's the fact. The British Public have no idea what is in the Lisbon Treaty. Give them a referendum and the sad fact is that they wouldn't even begin to be able to answer the question in any kind of informed way. Do YOU know what's in the Lisbon Treaty, BR? I'll almost guarantee you that your average BNP member doesn't.

[color=#FF0000]"ID CARDS are more racist by the way than any BNP policy - these cards that NEW LABOUR want identify us by not only race by many other things as well. They are BIOMETRIC. Yet I dont see people complaining about ID Cards in the same way they complain about this."[/color]

The BNP don't want to force us to carry ID cards. Fine. I haven't seen any kind of policy document that says they will force me to eat humus for breakfast or only have my washing machine serviced on Wednesdays. None of these things are good reasons for voting for a party as vile as the BNP.

[color=#FF0000]"Finally - lets compare the RACE POLICIES of each party :



CONSERVATIVES : 0 foreigners killed but voted for the IRAQ and AFGAN war which has killed ONE MILLION foreigners because of their race and religion.



NEW LABOUR : 1 million Islamics killed because of their race and religion in illegal wars.



BNP : 0 foreigners killed and a promise not to fight these wars - so a promise to stop killing foreigners unless they invade our country.



Which is the RACIST party out of these three parties ?"
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The one which defines peoples' right to live here primarily by their skin colour, religion and ethnicity. Now which party do you think that would be again?

A couple of weeks ago you were flying the flag for the EDL. Now you are apparently giving your support to the BNP. You honestly expect anyone to believe that the supportive views you express here do not betray an extreme right wing bias on your part, BR?
You may call it "free thinking". I'd call it fascism, freely admitted or not.

My posts on the EDL and BNP LO are about pointing out the problem that we now have in the UK with politics since the 1980s.

Our so called "middle of the road" political mainstream parties have morphed to the extreme right wing ( or hard left depending on who you are ) .

We see this in several areas :

LAW AND ORDER : each party wants to out do each other.

IMMIGRATION : not having a policy is in fact racist because it is classic "divide and rule" The Politicians live in big gated houses and NOT in multicultural areas or streets. They sit behind their gates laughing.

FOREIGN POLICY : all mainstream parties back illegal wars and pointless wars being fought on the basis of RACE AND RELIGION. We dont go and invade Christian countries.

This means that ordinary people ( Both racist and moderate ) have no representation of their views. 3 million marched against the Iraq War - and then were ignored.

My posts are to show how the BNP is now in step with the mainstream parties. How NEW LABOUR and even the TORIES have an element of deep racism in their policies.

I am not right wing at all - I am being presented with RIGHT WING parties of all shapes and sizes - and want a Party who will do the following :

1. Stop the BIG BROTHER STATE

2. Stop the RIGHT WING BANKING SCAM

3. Reduce TAXES to those earning less than £40,000 and hammer those earning more than £1 million ( at least 60% )

4. Lift the min wage to £15 an hour to take EVERYONE who works out of poverty.

5. Cut benefits to those who refuse to work.

6. Take our TROOPS out of every foreign country where it is fighting.

7. Get rid of single "race" schools. These could be like Islamic Schools or even white christian schools. We need diversity and understanding.

8. Stop GHETTO areas developing in our Cities by mixing housing and not allowing planning permission for one race to dominate one area's business or shops.

Our country is RACIST - the BNP are no more or no less racist that the other parties. They just are more open about what they do.

We need a Christian Socialist Party to bring these ideas about - one which has liberal tendencies but is committed to helping all people - not just the rich.

Angel wrote:
99.72 percent of statistics are utter balderdash.

Make that 100% with a 5% error margin:woohoo:

"95% of the UK population agree with the BNP about the immigration problem. Outside London it is 100%."

I need to come back to this one. However this will be a short one from me {just for a change}.
I apologise for having misread this claim. Astounded by the ludicrousness of your posting I failed to note that ludicrousness' totality.

You're seriously proposing that everyone outside London agrees with the BNP's {and yours, it is plainly obvious} views on immigration? Well I don't. And neither do lots of other people {and I'd hazard a guess that that the BNP's view is actually mirrored by only a minority}.

Your posting intiially struck me as misinformed. But now I must own that it is a blatant example of the kind of of Fascist propoganda which has seeped out of many of your more recent postings. Well done, BR, you've actually surprised me. I always knew that your strange view of the world was more than a little out of kilter. It must now be clear to most people here that your views are more than sympathetic to the interests of extreme right wing groups. How exactly do you square that with a caring, Christian outlook? Munificence? I think not. Love thy neighbour? Well, as long as he's white. And, above all {uber alles?}, English.

BR wrote:
95% of the UK population agree with the BNP about the immigration problem. Outside London it is 100%..

what an absurd thing to say.

I live outside London as do most of my friends and family and none of us agree one bit with the BNP.

Totally bonkers, BR.

I don't think the BNP are racist, racist means to beleive that one race is superior to another. The BNP have not said that the white race are superior to other races, just that all races would be better off living seperately. I believe that this is true to some extent. Most people don't choose to marry someone of another race. Birds of a feather......

The bnp don't want to create a seperate group of people called ethnic foreigners, this group of people already exist. People can get bogged down in theories about all the people having originated in Africa millions of years ago, thats like saying we are not really human because we originated from fish. The bnp have repeatly said that they are not going to force anyone out of the country, apart from criminals. The policy of voluntary repatriation is the same as what currently exists under new labour. Anything that is voluntary is fine by me.

The BNP's policy on immigration is no different to that in Austrailia or America. You can't get a job in America unless you can prove that someone already in the USA can't fill the position, not whether or not you are cheaper. I think this policy would be a good one to adopt in the country.

robbiex wrote:


The bnp don't want to create a seperate group of people called ethnic foreigners, this group of people already exist.

They want to encourage all people who they classify as 'ethnic foreigners' to leave the country- to where?

presumably they would apply this policy to a small black kid and his mum and dad even if all three were born in this country and have not known any other home.

are you saying that is right?

also, what exactly is the purpose of explicitly drawing up this distinction between white people and 'ethnic foreigners', what do they hope to achieve?

For me the entire "ethnic" discussion is absurd - you might as well extradite anyone with blue eyes as opposed to brown eyes.

Stoopid.

Being of a different race is not the same as having a different hair or eye colour. Having a certain eye colour is only a variation of a race. Different races have their own culture, traditions and religions and certain physical traits, common to their race, this is what makes the world so interesting.

Ah but Robbie there has been so much cross pollination and such advances in technology and travel that everyone combines bits of DNA, skin colours, cultures, languages and attitudes.

What am I? Half Brit and half Yank but with all sorts of other bits - Italian, Celtic...

robbiex wrote:
. The policy of voluntary repatriation is the same as what currently exists under new labour. Anything that is voluntary is fine by me..

No it is not. Labour are not suggesting that people who were born here, whose parents were born here, might leave.

If I were black or Asian and was born here I would feel insulted if the BNP offered to 'repatriate' me. Repatriate means to send 'home'. Again I ask - where is home for someone who was born here????

My Godson is black. Lovely boy. I would be deeply offended if someone 'offered him the chance' to leave the country because of his 'ethnicity'.

You can dress it up all you want, but it is a nasty, mean mindset.

Okay so Labour have introduced a new points system of immigration. Will they be allowing many working class or elderly people into the country based on this policy, or just young, fit people who will work for little money and put our own working classes out of a job.

so its perfectly ok to be prejudiced on the basis of age and class??

Robbie, again you fail to answer the question above about ethnic foreigners- where you send someone back to who was born here.

but never mind.

Well David, I wouldn't personally send anyone back to a place where they weren't born.

However I guess like any law the bnp (this is hypothetical because the bnp are never going to become the government) will have to draw the line as to what is counted as ethnic british (2 generations/ 3 generations). Most people know what their pre-dominant ethnicity is and they aren't hovering over different boxes on the government forms.

If you're black then your ethnicity is Afro-caribbean /West Indian. Please don't start another discussion about scientists saying we all originate in Africa. These people along with other non-british people will be HELPED to leave and return to the country of their fore-fathers (if they WISH). If anything this is prejucided against white british people as they won't be offered any help to go anywhere.

robbiex wrote:
[quote]Please don't start another discussion about scientists saying we all originate in Africa.quote]

I have never done so, actually.

A couple of points, robbie:

1. It seems you don't have much idea about how points systems work. I have worked in many countries which use points systems both as an employer and employee. I do not have detailed knowledge of how the UK system works, but here is how they work in most places in which I have expderienced.

Firstly, points systems are generally aimed at skilled workers and/or management. The aim of the system is to ensure that anyone coming to work in the country has skills that will benefit the country. Those skills have to be backed up by recognised qualifications. The employer has to provide proof of this, and also evidence that they cannot find a person to fill that position in the country.

In my experience, everyone who obtained a work permit had to have a university degree and/or professional qualifications.

An example of this: I set up and managed a language training company in Hungary (pre-EU membership) and employed almost exclusively native speaker teachers, i.e. only native English speakers would teach English etc.

In order to obtain work permits for my teaching staff, who were from the UK, US and Canada, I had to justify to the authorities why, in the view of my company, it was better to learn a language from a native speaker. Then I had to provide original degree certificates for every teacher, along with originals of teaching qualifications. Anyone who did not have both of these was not allowed to work in Hungary for my company.

You cannot use a system like this to bring in "young, fit people who will work for little money and put our own working classes out of a job" as you put it. There is no way unqualified people would get enough points.

Points systems do not apply to EU citizens, due to the freedom of movement which has existed (both ways) for many years now between many countries.

2. I agree that the BNP are not going to get into power (thank heavens), but I think it is important to look at their policies and push them to their logical conclusion.

I will say no more about the 'ethnic foreigners' policy, except to reply to your last post:

Imagine the BNP came into power, and wrote to all black people offering to send them to Africa, West Indies etc because they were not white. What does that mean implicitly (or explicitly)? It means "we don't want you here because of your race". What an appalling thing to say to someone. So if someone chooses to stay, they will feel very uncomfortable and definitely unwelcome.

And you say this is discrimination against white people???

Excuse me, I'm laughing so hard I can't type.