The easy path of "so and so was a victim too" does not justify treating another human being badly but those who basically advocate hatred like to think it cloaks their viciousness in a moral armour. Sorry. It doesn't. Just like advocates of capital punishment - because nothing is worse than killing someone, so let's kill the killer - there will never be a way to get them to see their own evil in their protests of supporting "the victim".

Own up. You want someone to suffer. Just because you couldn't kill Jamie Bulger, don't justify your foul desire to kill Jon Venables.

Not at all, I can honestly say that if Venables was to walk past me in the street or was the person sitting next to me on a train or bus I would not say or do anything to him whatsoever.
As for wanting someone to suffer, is'nt that supposed to be part of the punishment for someone who committs a crime? If the criminal did not have to suffer as a result of his/her actions then everyone would be murdering, raping and robbing everyone and we would have a completely lawless society.

I'm not against punishment as a deterrent but I'm in favour of decency, kindness and trying to help people. I was in prison with some truly dreadful people, many of whom just needed another human being to talk to them and, more important, to listen to them. To me, Tony Blair is a far, far worse criminal than Jon Venables but he had the good sense to be older, richer, more intelligent and bright enough to get other people (paid by us) to do the killing for him. As far as the murder of Iraquis is concerned, we're all far worse than Jon Venables.

Carl wrote:
James Bulger was also someones child and a victim of having his skull smashed open and his body cut into two pieces on a railway line.
It's not about vengeance, its about justice, Venables had a choice, he did not have to abduct a child from a shopping centre and murder him, he chose to do it, James Bulger was the innocent victim who had no choice in what happened to him.
When someone committs a crime of that magnitude they forfeit their human rights in my opinion.

You miss the point entirely Carl. No-one is disputing the severity of the suffering inflicted upon Jamie Bulger, and isn't it odd that some people only care about Bulger after Venables hits the headlines again? This, as has been said, is about the public's frenzy regarding high profile cases, the tabloid whipping up of anger and a sense of injustice...injustice which has never existed save for those whom have an appetite for bloody and savage murderous revenge based purely on the strength of saturation media coverage.

Whilst I sympathise with Bulger's mother I also feel she is foolish in not conveying some forgiveness toward her son's killers, given their age etc' but she is simply paying lip service toward a tabloid press who as JK illustrates demand sensationalist and horrific attention seeking headlines.

Hindley is another example. A young woman who tried to better herself in prison, regretted her past with Brady, had served her time, but died in prison purely because of political decision making on the back of her being a notorious tabloid media 'monster'.

Hasn't it been established that John Venables did not commit another crime, he just broke the terms of his licence. There is a difference. One report said that he had been in a fight at work. It could be argued that this was technically a crime, breach of the peace of whatever, but it puts him in the same class as most ordinary people and hardly justifies hanging him from the tabloid gallows.

Ten year olds do stupid things. It's possible that they did not even connect to the reality of their actions, however horrible. I also recall that some adults admitted to being concerned about what they thought was going on but took no action, maybe because we've become a society that discourages adults from interacting with children and so the kids have fewer influences to help guide them through life. If this wedge had not been driven between the generations then maybe this tragedy would not have occurred. Same with the more recent case of two brothers almost killing fellow children in woodland. These things cannot always be predicted or prevented but we, as a society, should make much more of an effort.

FC, I think it is you who misses the point, I like the majority of the British public want tougher sentences for criminals, it's not about vengeance it's about justice.
As for the mother of James Bulger, why the hell should she be expected to show forgiveness, her son was BRUTALLY murdered not accidentally knocked over by a car or killed in a freak accident.
She has every right to want to string them up by their bollocks and stone them to death for what they did to her son.

Venables should now lose his right to anonymity. He was granted that for the horrendous crime he committed in 1993 whilst still a child. He is now a fully grown 27 year old adult who has breached the terms of his licence by committing a further offence. How many chances does he deserve?
Too many do-gooders on here, I would guess from the comments that very few of you have children of your own, if you did have I'm sure your opinions would be somewhat different.
Try thinking of the victims and their families instead of bending over backwards to protect the rights of criminals.

Reminds me of scene from the BrassEye paedo special :

Chris Morris : Would you have sex with a 10 year old when she is 31?

Voice of Reason : You must be joking. You belong in a mental asylum.

What they did was beyond belief but they were only 10 years old for christ's sake. If those two were both intrinsically evil psychopaths, what were the odds of them finding themselves in the same classroom together?

I think it was when I was watching the news reports of those two kids being led to the court in a van being attacked and stoned by shouting mobs that I first realised that this world is deeply disturbed. I certainly think the UK began to become a different place on that day.

And Carl, you make a valid point. Why should Jamie Bulger's mother be expected to show or feel forgiveness? Why indeed? Why should anyone be expected to show forgiveness? I believe the world would be a far better place if everybody felt and showed forgiveness. But it does not necessarily happen. Which is why the species is going to hell in a handcart.

No matter what some of us feel ought to be the case, the vast majority don't agree. The vast majority cannot see any conflict about baying for the killing of killers. If you cannot understand that, and cannot see the irony, the species simply cannot and will not change.

The hatred for Venables is precisely and exactly the hatred which killed Jamie Bulger. But many - indeed, most - simply cannot see that. Red can never be green.

AH - and now we have SEX brought into it. Couldn't you have guessed it?

In our deliciously salacious society, a bit of cock and tits was essential to get added to the topic.

And God bless the dear old Currant Bun for bringing it in. How could this continue to grow unless erections were involved?

So, if there is a serious sexual crime or claim involved, do we want the accused to get a fair trial?

No. Society has finally been honest and admitted fair trials are not GOOD STORIES and we don't want anything that is not a good story.

Sorry if this post appears dripping with sarcasm. It is.

I love the way other media get away with spreading the rumour by wording it like "Venables arrested for serious sex crime, says The SUN". They cover their own backs by pointing the finger to where the rumour started in case it turns out to be untrue, so that any injustice as a result of the rumour won't, in their opinion, be their fault.

I'm not sure why Jack Straw has agreed to meet with Mrs Bulger and give her details of why Venables has been re-arrested when, it seems, this latest development has nothing to do with her or her family.

I'm thinking that those who comment on why Jamie Bulger's mum failure to show forgivness are probably not parents themeselves?

The whole "victim culture" and thirst for revenge is all part of the death of humanity.
Of course no-one "has" to forgive.... but those that never forgive generally end up dead and/or miserable for the rest of their sorry lives whilst those who do forgive can at least move on. The likes of Denise Bulger & Sara Payne are just idiot puppets of the tabloids, and it is very likely that the ill health of the latter is down to her state of mind. They are thickies who should be treated as such, spokespersons not for anything constructive but for fear, hatred and idiocy.

We're expected to hate anyone who kills anyway - forgiveness is a no-no even if we're talking about a real accident. Hate Hate Hate. Doesn't matter if you've chopped some childs head off and buggered the torso, killed them when they ran in front of your car or just looked at some distasteful pictures in the privacy of your own home and not touched anybody, it's all the same to the idiot masses.
JK is spot-on in saying that the hate that killed Jamie Bulger is what is driving the calls for Venables' head. Those that go around baying for blood and failing to understand what they they are actually doing are the very people who are directly ruining their old childrens lives by denying them innocence under the pretext of 'protection' - and if we're honest they should be sterilised to prevent them breeding more frustration, fear and hatred

Angel, you are spot on.
Chris Retro, the reason they are miserable for the rest of their sorry lives may have something to do with the fact that someone has sexually abused and killed their children.
I assume you have no children like many of the other people who post on this board banging on about human rights for criminals and forgiveness.
I'm all for forgiveness but some people ie paedophiles, child killers etc are beyond redemption.
It's ok saying lets show them compassion and forgiveness but imagine if it was a member of YOUR family who was the victim, I'm sure you would change your tune slightly then.
In my opinion when someone goes out and intentionally kills another person and it is premeditated they should be jailed for the rest of their natural lives, if they serve 25, 30 years they can come out and get on with their life, the dead person can't do that, they are gone forever.
America has the right idea, life without parole for such crimes, this country has gone mad, you get longer in prison for fraud or robbing a bank than you do for manslaughter or abusing a child.
Too many do gooders i'm afraid more interested in the criminals while the victims and their families get brushed aside.

I completely agree with Carl. As a parent most people are overwhelmed with the love they have for their child(ren). You are entrusted to care and nurture that child until they are able to go off into the big wide world and fend for themselves. The absolute horror of having your child viciously murdered cannot be imagined. It is irrelevant that the boys were 10. I have worked with children and at this age there is a vast difference in behaviour. Some are still very much children and some are not. I believe that the cruelty and viciousness inflicted on Jamie Bulger was the work of seriously deranged minds and that anyone, of any age, capable of such evil should not be living normally in society.

And what about Jon Venables' Mummy and Daddy? Or should you only love your children if they are well behaved? Does being a parent mean you must only love certain children? I find this line of thinking reprehensible. To me it's just an excuse for hating.

JK there is no relevance in your message to what I wrote. If Venables has good parents they would accept that what he did was wrong. I am not an advocate of perpetuating hatred but I am an advocate of common sense.

JK, Jon Venables' Mummy and Daddy still have their son alive, knowing that he would only serve a short sentence and be out again. The parents of James Bulger will NEVER see their son ever again.
I'm sure Jon Venables parents do love him, just don't expect the rest of us to.

Chris Retro is bang on! And he echoes my points earlier. Imagine the difference it would make if Denise Bulger could see beyond her own personal grief? But she cannot because unfortunately she is thick. Ditto Sara Payne. I refer to the Myra Hindley as soon as anyone showed her the slightest bit of compassion...in her case Lord Longford...the vile and twisted hatred was unprecedented.

That is when the rot set in. As in JK's song 'look at him he's a vile pervert..' The tabloids cottoned on to the fact following the Brady/Hindley murders (and they were the original posh and becks of horror.. the tabloids obsession with Hindley was unrelenting) the public lapped up every detail of child torture and murder. The more horrific the better.

The Sun now rubbing it's hands with glee that Venables may have committed another sadistic and twisted act. Ad infinitum. Ad nauseum.

Well put. We are supposed to whoop, holler, scream and shout, label people "evil" at the drop of a hat - All in the name of "love". We choose never to see those we target as someone's child, we just see them as pieces of meat. It's something that has always struck me a dreadful trait, be it the idiots trying to stone Venables, Gary Glitter, JK or whoever else the tabloids paint as "sick" or "evil", or wankers you meet in general life who would stab anyone in the back to score their own meaningless brownie points for the sake of their own ego/"career".
As for having children, well I wouldn't want to bring a child up in 21st Century Britain - it's inhumane and extremely selfish. I would love kids - but never in this environment. I'd like my children to grow up somewhere they can be alloweed to be children as I did, where their innocence isn't pummelled out of them by ridiculous government initiatives & commerciality (babies should be born with bar codes on their heads, let's face it) and where they won't be brainwashed and bovine by the time they reach puberty.

JK2006 wrote:
And what about Jon Venables' Mummy and Daddy? Or should you only love your children if they are well behaved? Does being a parent mean you must only love certain children? I find this line of thinking reprehensible. To me it's just an excuse for hating.

Incidentally, if "child killers" are somewhat 'more evil' than your everyday "adult killers" where would the cut-off point be? 18? 16? 13? Should we have a 'seriousness' colour chart starting at orange for someone topping an old man and red for a baby? This is all just a stupid extension of 'lags law' where, say, violent burglary is totally acceptable and rape is not. You either have morals and principles or you do not, and most people I'm afraid seem not to know the wood from the trees.
Most people who subscribe to the views seen here (Carl, Dex) are causing more damage to themselves and their children than they could possibly imagine. You, like many of our unfortunate contempories, have been played like fiddles by media moralising. If we all realised just how worthless we are (equally) in the eyes of the forces that govern us then we might get somewhere. I'm seeing it on Facebook now, mindless fools stating their fury at Jon Venables in their 'status updates' when they haven't a clue what it's all about and it means absolutely nothing to their existence whatsoever