Jack Tweed is in court from today.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8615732.stm

He may be guilty,or innocent,but we do know the system is stacked against him,with built in bias.

Good luck Jack,just don't expect justice in Brown's biased Britain.

I'm not saying a prayer for him- how many times has he been arrested for violent attacks?

I won't be saying a prayer for him either. Why do you naturally assume that he is innocent. Why would the woman invent such a terrible crime. This isn't a kiss-and-tell story it is an accusation of a terrible crime. Tweedy does have a track record of such behaviour so he may very well have done it. We will have to wait and see how it unfolds.

Given the number of celebrities that have been falsely accused of rape over the last few years, my first thought was indeed to say a prayer.

But then I remembered who he was.

david wrote:
how many times has he been arrested for violent attacks?

Maybe that's the reason we should pray for him. People who believe in prayer are not supposed to just pray for the "righteous".

And Robbie .. Innocent accused does say "he might be guilty" so he's obviously not naturally assuming that Jack Tweed is innocent.

robbiex wrote:
I won't be saying a prayer for him either. Why do you naturally assume that he is innocent. Why would the woman invent such a terrible crime. This isn't a kiss-and-tell story it is an accusation of a terrible crime. Tweedy does have a track record of such behaviour so he may very well have done it. We will have to wait and see how it unfolds.

Robbiex,learn to read a post before adding such comments in future.

I've been the subject of a false allegation,and know they are a regular occurrence.

Why would she invent it? Try huge amounts of compensation,well into five figures.Also after a guilty verdict a huge wad from the meejah...that enough of a reason?...oh & even if the jury know it's false,she'll never have to pay any price for lying...pretty one sided,& the main reason for false allegations.

He may be guilty or not,he's certainly been a prat,& a nasty violent man at times,but that doesn't automatically make him a rapist....in fact where has there been any occasion when he's been involved in forced sexual behavior? When he was in the papers girls were flocking round him...hardly a reason to resort to forced sex.


I'll repeat,being in the same situation myself,it's ruined my health,& even an innocent verdict does not get rid of the stigma,or indeed the record.It stays with you,& any employer can find out about it when you go for a job.It used to be once exonerated by a jury of your peers that was the end of the matter,now it stays with you forever,ruining your life.

Well said IA. I don't like Tweed either but that dont make him a rapist.And to argue that because he has previous means he must be guilty? Let's hope some people never sit on a jury.

Robbiex,learn to read a post before adding such comments in future.

I've been the subject of a false allegation,and know they are a regular occurrence.

Why would she invent it? Try huge amounts of compensation,well into five figures.Also after a guilty verdict a huge wad from the meejah...that enough of a reason?...oh & even if the jury know it's false,she'll never have to pay any price for lying...pretty one sided,& the main reason for false allegations.


I'm sorry if you have been falsly accused, however of all the celebrities that I can remember who have been falsely accused (Craig Charles, The Hamiltons, John Leslie). Not a huge list. None of these people were found guilty and the 2nd two didn't even go to court. I believe the woman who falsely accused the Hamiltons was punished for it and recieved a sentence. I can't name one person who has recieved huge amounts of cash for accusing a celebrity of rape. Also you have to remember that most rapes aren't actually reported because the women know that it is virtually impossible to secure a conviction. The law isn't always on the side of the woman.

Excuse me Robbie - there are quite a few of us falsely accused celebrities - not all were fortunate enough to be acquitted of the imaginary crimes.
I think you'll find dozens of women (many clients of Mr Clifford) whose allegations resulted in no prosecution but big money for them from media.

JK2006 wrote:
Excuse me Robbie - there are quite a few of us falsely accused celebrities - not all were fortunate enough to be acquitted of the imaginary crimes.
I think you'll find dozens of women (many clients of Mr Clifford) whose allegations resulted in no prosecution but big money for them from media.


Jk, I was referring to rape allegations specifically rather than alleged abuse that suppossedly happened decades ago.

I'm with innocent accused on this one.

I'd say there is everything to be gained and little chance of recrimintion when making a false accusation.

veritas wrote:
I'm with innocent accused on this one.

I'd say there is everything to be gained and little chance of recrimintion when making a false accusation.

Again you are assuming that this is a false accusation. There is no evidence to assume that this is a false accusation. The character of the man and his criminal past (not necessary rape, but violence) would indicate that there is a possibility that it is a valid claim.

robbiex wrote:
[quote]veritas wrote:
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Again you are assuming that this is a false accusation. There is no evidence to assume that this is a false accusation. The character of the man and his criminal past (not necessary rape, but violence) would indicate that there is a possibility that it is a valid claim.

If Calsberg did rape trials....

robbiex,nobody is assuming guilt or innocence,but mentioning the system is stacked against the accused...I know this well,from personal experience.
If we are to punish the guilty we need to be sure of guilt,and withholding evidence,and making it easy to report,without proper investigation of the accusers does nothing to help the cause of justice.

Do not,under any circumstances let sympathy for a victim cloud your judgment,& do not make assumptions of someone just because the media use it for sensationalism.

robbiex wrote:
Again you are assuming that this is a false accusation.

Why shouldn't that assumption be drawn? The cornerstone of the British justice system is the presumption of innocence. Therefore it's a perfectly logical assumption to make. If you are going to post from a position of total ignorance at least make some attempt at logic.

robbiex wrote:
There is no evidence to assume that this is a false accusation.

You haven't seen the evidence, so there's no way you could possibly know that. Again, you're posting from a position of total ignorance.

robbiex wrote:
The character of the man and his criminal past (not necessary rape, but violence) would indicate that there is a possibility that it is a valid claim.

OK. So it's also a "possibility" {given "the man and his criminal past"} that he's also a nonce, a gunrunner, an armed robber and a mugger of pensioners. You make assumptions based on your impression of someone's past, and that's no basis for any justice system other than the sort favoured by your BNP heroes. Summary justice is, sad to say, often no justice at all. It is to be fervently hoped that you never get to bring that sort of thinking to jury service.

What is obvious to me {and, I'm sure, many others} is that while you're very keen on talking about the rights of Brits {ever heard of Magna Carta and the right therein enshrined to a fair trial by peer group?} and are always banging on about the "British Way Of Life" you have little interest in or knowledge of the extant model under which you live.

My own view is that Tweed is a total git. But that doesn't make him a rapist. Only being a rapist would make him a rapist, and for that more proof than your assumptions will, thankfully, be required.

You are out of your depth, and not for the first time.

ok so I'm speaking from a position of ignorance, because I don't know about the case, equally Locked out is speaking from a position of ignorance as the court proceedings have not taken place yet.


Jack Tweed is in court from today.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/8615732.stm

He may be guilty,or innocent,but we do know the system is stacked against him,with built in bias.

Good luck Jack,just don't expect justice in Brown's biased Britain.

From this quote, it is obvious that his sympathies lie with the alleged rapist not with the alleged victim. Whenever there is an accusation of police brutality, I don't see too many people jump up into the defence of the policeman on this sight.

Also by the way I've never voted BNP, I just believe in democracy and free speech, which seems to have diminished since BNP members were banned from joining the police.

I think the point is, Robbie - all accused are innocent. Not just presumed or considered but ARE - unless and until they are found to be guilty.
Yet, because of media coverage and attitude, it becomes the fallback position in many people's minds that they are guilty when accused.

Many of us here have also experienced incredible police inefficiency or laziness - at best - and corruption at worst. Likewise the judicial system. So we tend to be sceptical even when people are convicted.

And hundreds of Sally Clarks and Barry Georges and Steven Downings and others tend to illustrate we are right to be so.

robbiex you're at it again...failing to read a post correctly.

My sympathies were because of the injustices in the legal system he will face,not because I make any assumptions of guilt or innocence.
It is impossible to get a fair trial in this country,because of a biased legal system,& a corrupt police force.

Oh & I do agree with you about the BNP,horrible politics to my little mind,but a democracy should be able to contain all strands of belief,not just those it likes.