robbiex wrote:
I don't want to repeat the fact about extra demands on Education and the health service.

well, presumably if immigrants are working, they are also paying taxes. And the NHS and schools are paid for by.... yes, taxes!

Locked Out wrote:
Little England is indeed alive and well at the moment.

Indeed !

There are millions of people who have LEFT the UK (to colonise Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the former Rhodesia, Canada, etc etc).
Whenever times are a little rough, the "incomers" face the wrath ... at one time it was Jews, prior to that the Irish etc

david wrote:
[quote]robbiex wrote:

well, presumably if immigrants are working, they are also paying taxes. And the NHS and schools are paid for by.... yes, taxes!

The extra demands that immigrants bring to education are above and beyond those of British children. Extra teachers are required to help with the different languages. Its not just about the financial implications, there are also public health issues, a reduction in the quality of life and racial tensions. Increased crime and increased risk of terrorism.

Locked Out wrote:
Because lazy arsed Brits would rather do fuck all all day then blame someone else when it all goes tits up.
Why was I working for minimum wage? Because it was better than doing nothing. Brits these days think "pride" is something to do with En-ger-land football matches. It isn't. It's something that starts from within the person. And I've found that most people these days, while claiming to be proud of their country {of which they know very little and actually care demonstrably less} have absolutely no pride in themselves. But, then again, what have they got to be proud of? A can of lager and a limited vocabulary, it appears.

If these aren't racist comments that I don't know what are. I'm sad to live in a country where having an opinon on immigration makes you racist

robbiex wrote:
I'm sad to live in a country where having an opinon on immigration makes you racist

except that it doesn't, Robbie. You can be anti-immigration and not racist, but you have previous form on this.

For example, you defended the BNP's policy of labelling certain British citizens as 'ethnic foreigners'. That policy advocated approaching people of non-caucasian origin and offering them money to go 'home' to a country they may never have been to, having been born and raised in the UK.

That policy is tantamount to approaching an adopted kid who has known only one family and telling him/her 'actualy, we don't think you belong here. Would you care to go and live with your 'birth parents' who you have never met?

robbiex wrote:


If these aren't racist comments that I don't know what are.


And we know you don't know what constitutes a racist comment. Your assertions that the BNP aren't a fascist part, Nick Griffin isn't a fascist and that "Indian" restaurants are simply places where drunks hang out mark you as someone who has difficulty getting a proper perspective on anything. Add to that the fact that you've claimed "Indians" have single handedly consigned English restaurants {you never did give me a definition of what this mythical beast was} to the dustbin of history and you have also betrayed a breathtaking lack of understanding of cultural history and an intolerance of the practices and traditions {morris dancing, cheese rolling and other things you consider "silly"} of other people. That you don't know what racism actually is comes as no surprise to me.

robbiex wrote:
I'm sad to live in a country where having an opinon on immigration makes you racist

Robbie

Is it only non-white immigration that you oppose ?

david wrote:
robbiex wrote:
I'm sad to live in a country where having an opinon on immigration makes you racist

except that it doesn't, Robbie. You can be anti-immigration and not racist, but you have previous form on this.

For example, you defended the BNP's policy of labelling certain British citizens as 'ethnic foreigners'. That policy advocated approaching people of non-caucasian origin and offering them money to go 'home' to a country they may never have been to, having been born and raised in the UK.

I don't recall advocating this policy, just agreeing with the undeniable fact that certain people aren't ethnically British. Black people would often describe themselves Afro-Caribbean, because there mother country would be West Indies. For Example is Emile Heskey ethically British?, anyone would laugh at you for suggesting that he is. This doesn't mean they are better or worse just different.

To be racist is to consider any race to be inferior to another, Locked out talks about British people been lazy and can't be bothered to work so we have to get lots of wonderfull indians in to do their jobs, they will even do it for cheaper, but off-course this has nothing to do with it. I've worked in a company in North London with a 90% asian workforce and the level of absentiesm at the place was astonishing, with one asian guy racking up 36 sickness days in a year. Also it was quite common for people to phone in while they were on holiday in India and say that they were going to stay a few more days, if British people did this there would be an outrage. I'm just delivering facts to you here. I give an Asian guy a lift to work everyday, if I was racist, he'd be getting the train. I imagine that you just observe immigrants from a distance from your suburban house or occassionally visit high-priced Indian restaurants and think how great it is to be in a mult-cultural country.

In The Know wrote:
robbiex wrote:
I'm sad to live in a country where having an opinon on immigration makes you racist

Robbie

Is it only non-white immigration that you oppose ?

No, why would you ask such a stupid question when this thread was merely about Ed Millibands recognition that restrictions on immigration are required. You are mistaking the phrase "we need to have more restrictions on immigration" with the phrase "we need to kick out all non-whites"
They are very different phrases.

robbiex wrote:

I don't recall advocating this policy, just agreeing with the undeniable fact that certain people aren't ethnically British.

I'd just love it if you could define what "ethnically British" actually is. And I'm willing to bet you can't.

robbiex wrote:
Black people would often describe themselves Afro-Caribbean, because there mother country would be West Indies.

Except, of course, for those hundreds of thousand "Black people" {why do you bracket them all together like that?} who aren't Afro Caribbean. Your statement is both ignorant and ridiculous. Some people of colour are certainly Afro Caribbean. But that's not what you said. You said "Black people" As if they are all the same. Which, on reflection, you probably think is the case.

robbiex wrote:
For Example is Emile Heskey ethically British?, anyone would laugh at you for suggesting that he is.

Again I'd need a definition of "Ethnically British". "Anyone" would "laugh" if I suggested that "he is"? They'd only "laugh" if they subscribed to the same twisted view of what "being British" means as you do. Or, like you, they thought that his skin colour goes a long way toward defining exactly what and who he is.


robbiex wrote:
This doesn't mean they are better or worse just different.


"They"? I thought you were talking about Emile Heskey. Now all of a sudden you're bracketing "them" together again as if they're all the same... it's those "Black people" thing again.
And they're "different"? Different skin colour. In all other regards exactly the same as white. Forget the skin colour. It's unimportant. "They"'re not "different" at all.

robbiex wrote:
To be racist is to consider any race to be inferior to another

That's a staggeringly simplistic definition. To be racist means that you define the entire person... the entire race... by their ethnicity. You don't have to believe in racial superiority or inferiority to be a racist. You simply have to believe that races are "different" in some way. As you have already demonstrated that that is exactly what you do think you've gone a long way toward proving your own racist credentials yourself.

robbiex wrote:
Locked out talks about British people been lazy and can't be bothered to work so we have to get lots of wonderfull {sic} indians in to do their jobs, they will even do it for cheaper, but off-course this has nothing to do with it. I've worked in a company in North London with a 90% asian workforce and the level of absentiesm at the place was astonishing, with one asian guy racking up 36 sickness days in a year. Also it was quite common for people to phone in while they were on holiday in India and say that they were going to stay a few more days, if British people did this there would be an outrage.

A fascinating passage, the almost complete incoherence of which suggests near hysteria.
A couple of weeks ago you were claiming that the reasons why Indians were being employed was because they are "cheap and don't answer back". Now we learn that they don't answer back because they aren't even in the office to do it. Or at least they don't answer back on the phone from India, where they are on holiday. You're raving, Robbie. And it's no substitute for reasoned argument.

robbiex wrote:
I'm just delivering facts to you here.

But you aren't. You are just recycling all the usual hackneyed myths, ludicrous generalisations and muddled thinking which are your stock in trade.

robbiex wrote:
I give an Asian guy a lift to work everyday, if I was racist, he'd be getting the train.

Once again you prove that you don't know what the word "racist" means. The fact that you are so utterly conscious of the fact that he is Asian tells us a lot.

robbiex wrote:
I imagine that you just observe immigrants from a distance from your suburban house...

Nope, I live in tiny village {one in which xenophobia, racism, homophobia and and a whole gamut of other prejudices just like yours are rife, in fact you'd fit right in}. That's not "suburban", and neither is my thinking. I'm a citizen of the world and am acutely aware of the fact that in being so I'm out of step with many of my countrymen.

robbiex wrote:
I...or occassionally visit high-priced Indian restaurants

My two favourites are the Kashmir in Bradford and Sweet And Spicy on Brick Lane, Spitalfields. Both very authentic, both very good, both very cheap and neither the kind of late night slaughterhouses you have described "Indian" restaurants {actually one's Kashmiri, the other Bangladeshi} to be

robbiex wrote:
...and think how great it is to be in a mult-cultural country.

Actually I do think it's great to be be in a multi {spot the "i" at the end of "multi"?} cultural society. I wish it were much moreso. And I wish I could be more proud of it than I already am. The influx of immigrants to this country over the centuries has enriched it, and the wealth of cultural, gastronomic and economic benefits reaped as a result have been self evident. We Brits havve long had a well deserved reputation for ignorance toward other nationalities when we're abroad. It now appears that we have decided to extend that ignorance toward many of the people we share this island with. Sadly those days of "No Dogs, No Irish, No Blacks" never quite went away, did they? They just took human form, moved to Harrow and called themselves Robbiex.