They were joking but first in Eurovision - last in Eurovision - the same yesterday in football; are we seeing a trend here! For God's sake let's hope they don't try to invade.

But seriously I think there's a problem in the British attitude here (and it's not just England - Eurovision is the UK, remember, and the three small local regions don't do any better in football).

We are brilliant at moaning, whinging, complaining, nagging, destroying but no good at achieving and the economy proves that.

Time for a change in national attitude. Let's start being positive.

JK2006 wrote:
We are brilliant at moaning, whinging, complaining, nagging, destroying but no good at achieving and the economy proves that.

Time for a change in national attitude. Let's start being positive.

The mentality of the media does not help - all this ludicrous "we are going to win rubbish" (did anyone see the hilarious Express backpage on Saturday - oh, well, yes it was the Express LOL !)

JK2006 wrote:
I think there's a problem in the British attitude here

Yes, there is.

But it comes/boils down to the players - and the c£500k (more with commercial and intelectual rights!) that many of them earn in a month.

Playing for England is not the priority that is was. This is self-evident from the club/European performances - compared to those in the World Cup.

A Man United/Liverpool/Chelsea player thinks more of beating one of the others (or Barcelona/Real Madrid) than overcoming the likes of Algeria.

I think the problem is that over the last 20 years or so kids in Britain spend their time indoors playing computer games and eating junk food, whereas kids in Brazil, Argentina, and even Spain spend their time playing football on the beach and generally been more active. This gives them a much greater pool of talented youngsters to choose from.

robbiex wrote:
I think the problem is that over the last 20 years or so kids in Britain spend their time indoors playing computer games and eating junk food, whereas kids in Brazil, Argentina, and even Spain spend their time playing football on the beach and generally been more active. This gives them a much greater pool of talented youngsters to choose from.

but they still wouldn't get selected, robbie - the teams would buy an expensive foreigner.

The German league has, I believe, cut down hugely on foreign players.