You still have not offered any examples of "crucial scientific evidence for the existence of a Creator God".

That's because there simply is none. Not one teeny, tiny, little bit.

Plissken wrote:
Fascinating stuff. It uses science to show that many people who claim to have personal experience of God, actually suffer from abnormal brain activity in the temporal lobe.

Abnormal ? ... or special / different ?

Bad expression - tends to indicate that there is something "wrong" with the person rather than simply indicating that they are different (and, like psychics, have special gifts?)

ITK, you're the last person on this board who should be accusing anyone of using bad expressions.

I can understand where BR is coming from, although I don't agree with him. There are other ways to deal with injustice than through violence, and what tipped Moat over the edge was the fact that his ex partner betrayed him...that story could be told by many prisoners...the inevitable Dear John note. I'm afraid the world does not owe Mr Moat a thing...other than compassion and a little understanding, which is what I believe BR was putting across.

BR goes his own way with things, and I find that forever refreshing.

There is of course a new idea beginning to emerge.

Mr Moat is incredibly devious. Wanted revenge. Pretended to want WAR with the POLICE then did a runner - leaving friends behind who would create the illusion of him being at War with the POLICE.

Meanwhile Mr Moat slips out of the UK with no Police chasing him because everyone believes he is holed up in Rothbury and oop North.

If this is the case - then the Police have been well and truly suckered.

We can only wait and see - but I have a feeling that Mr Moat decided that fighting the Police was a losers game - and has sensibly decided to retreat and start a new life elsewhere.

I do hope that is the case and no one else gets hurt. I hope that the Police learn their lesson.

Plissken wrote:
ITK, you're the last person on this board who should be accusing anyone of using bad expressions.

Whatever !

BR wrote:
If this is the case - then the Police have been well and truly suckered.

I think the police are turning this into their own little vendetta.

Have just heard that the Met are sending 40 armed officers, and the Northern Irish are sending 20 armoured cars !

(Has anyone actually considered exactly how useful - or otherwise - an armoured car will be in dense woodland ? Ah, well ... this IS the police LOL !)

I always say - when confronted by a Moat, lower the drawbridge!

But actually, being serious, this entire incident does deserve more consideration than some of those painting a black and white picture give it; especially when taken alongside the Cumbrian incident and other recent maverick loony type tragedies.

I actually believe there is a fast growing element of society deeply unhappy with the way the world is going; considering votes and democracy are impotent weapons; and determined to commit suicide (Bridgend?) and possibly take others with them.

Terrorism may just have gone personal.

I agree JK, and also with Veritas and with much of what BR is saying (excluding the new age stuff).

And that, as should be obvious, is not to condone any violence that has been committed.

JK is absolutely right. This is likely a trend that will grow. Terrorism will become personal in the sense that individuals will vent their frustration and impotence in increasingly violent ways.

Up to now, 'lone nutters' like George Sodini have expressed their violent rage in horrifically random ways that are not only inexcusable but completely pointless.

I wonder if in Moat's case, a further sign of things to come is showing itself? The fact that Moat's revenge is more focused (he apparently doesn't want to harm any innocent civilians, just kill police - leaving aside whether or not the unfortunate partner of his ex was 'innocent', of course).

I understand that these people are not entirely rational and extremely unbalanced when they go on these rampages, but I would have thought that somebody really wanting to fight back against 'the system' that has destroyed them could choose targets more effectively.

Again, to say this is just to identify a possible trend and it's causes, not to condone any of these horrific events.

And by the way, notice how we are obliged to make clear how much we condemn these acts and are in no way incting violence. Yet everywhere in the media you can read below 'nonce' stories Joe Public freely leaving comments detailing what tortures should be committed against these people. As often as not, they leave their real names, and yet the police will never think of arresting any of these commentators for blatantly inciting violence. Look at the media lynching of Gary Glitter a couple of years ago or of James Thompson more recently. The tabloids basically called for both of them to be lynched on sight. The News of the World regularly publishes details of Glitter's latest 'hide out' with no other possible reason than to allow its readers to harrass him. I wasn't aware that incitement to violence didn't apply to sex offenders, even after they have served their sentances.

Now we have the SAS as well - and SKY news is marvelling at how many cars and vans are parked from all over the UK with Police badges on them.

It is ironic at a time of cuts that the POLICE can put so many resources just to catch ONE person.

This IS WAR between the POLICE and MOAT. It really is - the POLICE are acting like an ARMY hunting their foe.

I never thought I would see this day in the UK when our POLICE turned into some sort of PARA MILITARY FORCE but Mr Moat has successfully shown up the POLICE for what they really are.

It is NOTICABLE that the PUBLIC SYMPATHY has swung from the Police towards MOAT - because this whole process is showing the POLICE in a very bad light.

When hunting for a person who has gone missing in dangerous terrain the Emergency Services use helipcopters with heat cameras - surely that is all that is needed.

Incredible - and at 12.30pm Thursday still no resolution to this which must be giving thousands of potential loonies a message.

I think they WANT to start a CIVIL WAR so they can then get their "Pay increases" and keep their jobs. This is their "Big Terror" attack to try and stop the Coalition from cutting them.

A sort of MAY DAY PARADE of force.

However, it is making them the laughing stock of the World. One taxi driver ( hardly Rambo or a professional hit man ) is basically goading them and taking the proverbial P out of them day after day.

To survive ONE day is ridiculous - but 5 days against the "overwhelming force" of the UK Police and now SAS is hilarious.

It will potentially say to all TERRORISTS and NUTTERS - if this is how awful the UK security forces are in even dealing with ONE person - if we got organised then we could win a war against them.

So far TWO MEN in the last 4 weeks have gone on the rampage whilst the Police have hidden in their cars.......

Only when they number in HUNDREDS will they actually do any work.....

A sorry state of affairs which shows why the POLICE could be disbanded and only in bad areas would they be missed.

Plissken wrote:
You still have not offered any examples of "crucial scientific evidence for the existence of a Creator God".

That's because there simply is none. Not one teeny, tiny, little bit.

don't be silly..I'm here and watching over you

NUTS TOTALLY NUTS

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1293105...ily-home-search.html

Panto Season has arrived.

What were they doing in an 11 YEAR OLD GIRL's BEDROOM that led them to leave their bullets behind ?

as for handcuffing the parents and leading them out into the street.....


PS All because someone had "alleged" MOAT was in their house ( obviously someone with either a sense of warped humour or a grudge against this family or girl )

BR wrote:

What were they doing in an 11 YEAR OLD GIRL's BEDROOM that led them to leave their bullets behind ?

Perhaps you should ask the Soham "protection officer" - wasn't he kicked out of the force ?

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:

I didn't say government made him commit murder..I said governments and authority are increasingly pushing people to the brink and when that happens..something has to give.

This isn't a comment on that particular man's actions but society as a whole.

Surely you have seen that the nature of crime has changed dramatically over the past 20 to 30 years. I cannot recall ever hearing of guns or knives being used in Britain when I was young or before then except by professional crims.

These types of incidents will become more commonplace-just as there have been a rash of mass killings in the US in schools etc. There will be more and in more countries.

Agreed - but you seem to be arguing that these social misfits whould be given even more money, instead of being made to confort to the standards of a civilised society.

This is not "society's problem" - it's a problem with alot of criminal elements who will simple take and take (and make more and more excuses).

I've never been an advocate of capital punishment - but you have to admit, it IS a deterent ?

When these people finally realise that they have to conform to the accepted standards - and not keep bleating on about "their problems" - then we will be making progress.

That's clear enough for me.