it was a lie, balderdash, fabrication,fallacy, bullsh*t, total crap, garbage, fantasy and the media reported lt worldwide look the pathetic lapdogs they are.

And do they ever apologise ?...not bloody likely.

And this idiotic mob rabbit on about their right to invade the privacy of every citizen. Creeps.

veritas wrote:
it was a lie, balderdash
And do they ever apologise?

The police foiled a silly threat (now seen as such) and the media repoprted on it.

Absoluely nothing wrong with that...

But the major point from the visit and its success and the way in which many - of all faiths - viewed the Pope's stance(s) as very logical abd reasonable - wheresas before, many thought him to be an extremist/radical.

I saw him last autumn in Rome at the weekly open-air mass and and homily(?); this was all in Italian, although Benedict can speak numerous languages.

His visit to the UK emphasises the need for him to get out more - and speak to leaders and the man in the street; this will allow him to explain ever-changing docterines, in this new world of ours. Very few read his epistles.

ahh..you are playing with words.

"The police foiled a silly threat"

The police foiled nothing.

They dragged in 6 dark hued men over who were talking over lunch and sent out a press release with as much drama as they could create and the meejah reported it word for word and did absolutely no investigations themselves...asked no questions..just re-wrote the press release.

Once the cops would have turned up..questioned the guys and we would have heard nothing about it. Although if they were 6 stockbrokers talking over a lunch I doubt they would have been questioned.

There is everything wrong with that.

I'm still waiting for the BBC apology from the dimwit that stood on a patch of ground on Jersey and solemnly said into the camera...

"today I stand on ground below which are buried dozens of bodies of small murdered children" I mean when one of the former best news organisations in the world mistakes coconuts for children...we are in trouble

I do like some resemblence to the truth in my news reports !

veritas wrote:

The police foiled nothing.

...just re-wrote the press release

OK, there was nothing much to foil.

Press releases from sources such as the police are often published without much investigation.

As to how we moved to Jersey coconuts...uhuh, my head hurts.

30 years ago the police never had 'media units'. Individual officers decided what they wanted the press to know and it was based on the truth and how they thought the media may help solve a crime.

It used to be the job of the media to be sceptical of everything they are told..by politicians, by police, by authority,by everyone.

It was their job to investigate..not re-print press releases which is what they do now. They are supposed to ask difficult questions.

The whole point is that they simply re-produced ( and it went around the world) some complete rubbish issued by police about a phony 'plot' against the Pope.

The equally phony Jersey tale is another perfect example..millions of pounds wasted on a non-crime. It was less than 2 years ago.

Today there would be no Watergate investigation and Nixon would be president.

Today Tony Blair can help decimate millions of people and go on a well paid lecture tour about it. No Nuremberg today because the media doesn't care because people don't care. All they care about is Peter Andre and Jordan.

When Rupert Murdoch fund out the Hitler 'Diaries' were phony he said 'publish them anyway..we're in the entertainment business "

It's happening every day. It should alarm. It doesn't. Soon there will be no history.

(sorry your head hurts )

lecture ends here.

So now if you have a joke in the works canteen you can be ARRESTED _ held in custody_ and have your properties ripped apart_ as well as your ID given to the World media.......

Trial by media arranged by our friendly thick PLOD.

The POLICE see everything as a media opportunity these days. They spend more time on TV and making press statements than on actually investigating real crime.

The POLICE saw the POPE's visit as a chance to do a high vis arrest to push their case for no CUTS.

A cynical attempt to manipulate the media and public.

Backfired again though. When will they learn that it is better to investigate a case and THEN announce afterwards.

Around the World the impression given is that there are loads of terrorists awaiting to strike visitors to the UK from the comfort of the UK Public Services such as street cleaning......

Tourist numbers will be hammered by the PR the Police have given.

Luckily the POPE ignored it - believing GOD was better protection than the stupid ROBOCOPS of the Metropolitan Money Grabbing LYING boys in blue and more recently BLACK.

The person who gave the order for the arrests should be sacked for incompetence.

Thanks Ramsey, you write:

"The police foiled a silly threat (now seen as such) and the media repoprted on it.

Absoluely nothing wrong with that..."

I'm with Veritas, though I don't get the coconuts reference.

The point is a subtle one. It's not that the police should never arrest someone they are not sure is guilty. That would be ridiculous. It's not that they should never talk to the press. That, too, is out. But they should use judgement. They have become paranoid, for whatever reason, and judgement again and again is seen to go right out the window in cases of so-called "terrorism". This has been quite predictable ever since 9/11. We knew things were going to get paranoid. But the Terrorism Act 2000 (note 2000 is before 2001, the year of the 9/11 attack) is a very bad law and criminalised not just the commission of a terrorist act, but the preparation of one, even if the preparations are never communicated or carried through. This criminalises acts of thought. What is the difference between preparing a terrorist act and appearing to prepare one? Police need to know what people are thinking, at least according to this dumb law. What has happened is that for whatever reason they have all gone crazy arresting people left right and centre. Just about anything could be construed as preparing a terrorist act and all the usual prejudice kicks in to provide ill-founded suspicions again and again. Then you've got to remember the police are an institution, not an individual. They don't have a single central nervous system. They function according to rules. Suspicions get set in motion, then become stop and searches, then become arrests, then house searches. Thankfully, these don't necessarily escalate to charges and convictions, but damage is done already to these innocent citizens. They have been detained, shoved around by bullying custody sergeants, locked up in cold bare cells not knowing when, if ever, they will get out. They have been interrogated at length and every detail of their lives pored over. Intrusive searches are conducted on the automatic rubber-stamp of a magistrate. When they get out they are greeted with suspicion rather than sympathy as the bleating masses resort to that old canard "there's no smoke without fire", and slowly it dawns on them that the whole bizarre experience has demoted them from law-abiding citizen to former terrorist suspect. Their DNA and fingerprints are held and they have to live with knowing that their names can be flagged up for any number of reasons. What happens if they want to fly or to visit the US, for example? They will be asked whether they have ever been arrested and will have to explain what for. Officious PCSO's may ask them "Are you known to the police?" Well, yes, now they are. So what? What does that mean? Are these paranoid members of the security state known to us? Maybe they should be.

The point is that we as a society have become weirdly obsessed with watching one another and every last nuance and gesture, even a joke intended in irony, is over-interpreted and acted on by oficialdom to a degree that would ordinarily strike us as ludicrous. The world has gone mad. It's not that the police ought not to do their job, it's that the whole thing is just out of control. We live in a panopticon where everything is being watched. Emails are kept and scrutinized for seven years. Jokes are being listened in to. Neighbours are being watched. Even keeping your curtains closed is reason for suspicion. Taking photographs, bizarrely, can get you arrested, yet tourists take photographs of British bobbies with impunity. The whole thing is absurd. There is no rhyme or reason in it. If you want to send emails secretly, just run your own SMTP server. Nobody cares. If you want to photograph something just use a hidden camera, available for peanuts on eBay. Doesn't anybody see how crazy and out of control this all is? It's like McCarthyism. And when will the final call come? When will we hear those fateful words, "At long last, sir, have you no decency?" When will time be called on this charade and this madness?

And don't forget the cases of the North West Ten -- the Pakistani students who were arrested and when nothing was found and no charges brought, as usual, were earmarked by the Home Secretary for deportation and when they appealed it were kept in high security prisons for more than a year pending a hearing in which evidence was kept secret even from the appellants and their lawyers. Then, when some of them got leave to stay, they still had to live under control orders, with very restrictive conditions on their lives. What happened to the rule of law, the burden of proof, and the Magna Carta?

I could go on.

Then there's the Police Press Office. What's it for? How dare they take our money to promote themselves to us! We have deputized them to apply our laws already. They should simply do it. Just try to answer the question "What's it for?" and see where it leads. The Press Office are not interested in telling it like it is. They are interested in making the police look good, that is all. But what if the police do bad? Should we be able to know and to judge for ourselves? Just look at the Ian Tomlinson case to see the altogether counter-truthful functioning of the Police Press Office. Try calling them and talking to them yourself. They won't talk to you. They only talk to corporates. What's that about? What are the police for? Who owns them? Who do they serve? You have to ask yourself these questions. In case you don't know, we (the people) own them, they are for applying our laws and they are duty-bound to serve the common good of all, or, if I may be so bold [no pun intended] and do a BRism, the common good of ALL, or what is known as the PUBLIC INTEREST. They must always put the public interest above their own private corporate interest, otherwise they have ceased to serve us and have become just another separate vested interest out of control. All this we see when we look at this case. The whole thing was runaway madness blown up by a self-serving institution, aided and abetted by a servile press.

That's what wrong with it.

Best Wishes,
Jim

Jim wrote:
Who owns them? Who do they serve? You have to ask yourself these questions. In case you don't know, we (the people) own them, they are for applying our laws and they are duty-bound to serve

As Nick Clegg made clear yesterday - one of the coalition's key objectives is to remove the draconian powers introduced by Nu-Labour, and give us back rights which have existed for more than 1000 years under Common Law.

Lie-Bour introduced more than 3000 new "laws" - and there was a new "Terrorism" (defined as "anything that we don't like") Act every few months.

I use the Jersey incident as it is really the most extraordinary case of misinformation in recent years.

Readers might enjoy this elegant satire:

"Mark Steel: That's right, it was all a Muslim plot"

www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentato...im-plot-2085575.html

Jim wrote:
Readers might enjoy this elegant satire:

"Mark Steel: That's right, it was all a Muslim plot"

www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentato...im-plot-2085575.html

Brilliant piece on the "Plot"

Satire - the Police think that doing these sorts of things actually makes them look clever and caring. That is the real tragedy. They arrest people because of their race over and over again.

It really is racism from the Met. If 5 white people had been discussing blowing up the POPE they would have never been arrested........

oh that was a funny article...
'Muslims force Dalai Lama to harpoon a kitten"

and I rest my case !

veritas wrote:
oh that was a funny article...
'Muslims force Dalai Lama to harpoon a kitten"

and I rest my case !

veritas

When I went to Birmingham to see the Pope last Sunday I kept seeing banners and posters for you .... then I realised it said "veritatas" !

Jim wrote:
Readers might enjoy this elegant satire:

"Mark Steel: That's right, it was all a Muslim plot"

www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentato...im-plot-2085575.html

Brilliant piece, Jim - thanks for that.

Thank God that Nu Lie-Bour are not still in power - they would be passing yet another Terrorism Act, this time making it illegal to speak in a public place !

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
oh that was a funny article...
'Muslims force Dalai Lama to harpoon a kitten"

and I rest my case !

veritas

When I went to Birmingham to see the Pope last Sunday I kept seeing banners and posters for you .... then I realised it said "veritatas" !

they were for me..it's my eclesiastic name. I have fans everywhere.
They want me for Pope!

Yes thanks Jim - forgot to say that in my post.

A really fantastic article which makes the point very well.

Should be pinned to the Noticeboard in every Police Station in the UK.

veritas wrote:

they were for me..it's my eclesiastic name. I have fans everywhere.
They want me for Pope!


what about the no-sex bit, veritas? still keen?

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:

they were for me..it's my eclesiastic name. I have fans everywhere.
They want me for Pope!


what about the no-sex bit, veritas? still keen?

oh you innocent lamb...no sex? whatever gives you that idea?

what do you think the Swiss Guard are for ?