pundits saying it's the end of 'Nu' Labour.

I hope they are correct

If Labour move back to their traditional ground in the left they will be re-invigorated.

( I don't believe the nonsense of people not voting for a Jewish politician)

I agree about Labour being better for ditching New Labour.

Though Michael Howard may have a view about the voting public re; background.

The media already have dubbed him RED ED and if the unions decide to mount a National Strike will ED have the guts to stand up and tell them to work - because if he does not and people are suffering he will find himself the target of every journo in the UK.

No idea whether he will be good or not. Inexperienced and without too much baggage. So let's give him a chance to show what he can do.

With the first wave of strikes against cuts and pegged wages due in early November he will only have a few weeks to decide his strategy.

The country still blames New Labour for this economic mess and will do for probably the next 5 to 10 years. If he tries to foist blame onto the co-alition then he will fail because no one will believe him. So he should actually look forward to his "golden age" rather than moan about Tory Cutting. This way he moves the agenda away from Labour failures. By doing this he sets a new agenda based on a new vision of what the UK will be under him - rather than keep trying to fight an argument that has been lost.

That is why Cameron succeeded - and the other failed. He looked forward rather than back to old battles.

veritas wrote:
I don't believe the nonsense of people not voting for a Jewish politician)

Would we elect a Frenchman to lead our country? Of course not ! A German ? Never ! So why would we elect a Jew ?

You would never know where they were taking their orders from.

The Jews themselves created this problem when they made Israel "a Jewish state".

Red Ed - son of a tax dodging illegal ! - was elected by the Unions ... that alone makes him unbankable. Dedward Millipede will live down to his name !

I actually though Ed came through very well in his Andrew Marr interview - I like his point that good ideas tend to get into extremes and then fall apart... i.e. targets (some are good; some are bad; setting targets can inspire and encourage but concentrating on them can be dangerous).

Strikes - not a good idea but sometimes necessary.

"I'm not Bob Crow's man".

He talked sense.

And I agree with Veritas' opinion that people won't vote for Jews is rubbish. Jews are not a race; it is a religion; and like skin colour many are part Jewish.

My point about Disraeli ages ago was about this. Disraeli was a Jew who did not subscribe to the Jewish religion. Ed Miliband is a Jew who was brought up by two militant atheists, and he remains a secular figure (therefore, unlike the crypto-Catholic Blair, not at all a constitutional worry). Even the post-Scottish assembly trend for electing a couple of Scottish PMs, and many Scottish-based MPs, in Westminster is more of a relevant issue.

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
I don't believe the nonsense of people not voting for a Jewish politician)

Would we elect a Frenchman to lead our country? Of course not ! A German ? Never ! So why would we elect a Jew ?

You would never know where they were taking their orders from.

The Jews themselves created this problem when they made Israel "a Jewish state".

Red Ed - son of a tax dodging illegal ! - was elected by the Unions ... that alone makes him unbankable. Dedward Millipede will live down to his name !

Actually it was the British who created the Jewish state of Israel.
I doubt many people buy into a Jewish 'conspiracy'. Of course there is one- between the USA and Israel to keep that country as the most powerful in the ME and that is all about control, not religion or race.

My mother's family were Hasidic Jew who do not subscribe to the state of Israel and regard it as illegitimate.

It's about time the working (and now middle) class went on strike again !

BR- I do not buy into the time line you have put forward. Electorates are very volatile these days. Using Oz as an example (and the electorate is pretty well similar to the UK)how could a hugely popular PM like Kevin Rudd who actually helped the country almost completely avoid the economic meltdown be ditched within 2 years of winning ?

Because News Corp decreed it !

Millibrand will have to court the media and that will be the hardest job.

JK2006 wrote:
"I'm not Bob Crow's man".

But his real coup was to secure the backing of three of the four Britain's biggest trade unions - GMB, Unison and Unite.

Unite was even accused of breaking the rules of the contest by including a leaflet pledging its support for Ed Miliband along with the ballot papers for the contest it sent to its 950,000 members eligible to vote.

GMB leader Paul Kenny threatened to withdraw funding from the Labour Party if Ed Miliband did not win, amid talk of a union plot to prevent David Miliband, seen as the more Blairite of the two, and therefore committed to public service reform, from taking the leadership.

all of the above from - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11316855

Still think Red Ed is not of the loony left ???

JK2006 wrote:
And I agree with Veritas' opinion that people won't vote for Jews is rubbish. Jews are not a race; it is a religion; and like skin colour many are part Jewish.

Not strictly true, JK

You cannot have full citizenship in Israel unless you are a Jew (ask any Israeli arab !) ... therefor they have turned a "religion" into a requirement of citizenship.

There are numerous instances of Israeli leaders refering to Israel as "the Jewish state" ....

Which side are they batting for ?

The biggest surprise is the lack of a Scottish connection
Every Labour leader since Kinnock has been of Scottish origin.
As for the rest,a week is a long time in politics,anything could have happened by the time we come to vote next.

veritas wrote:
Actually it was the British who created the Jewish state of Israel.

Ooooh ! Read-up on your history a bit, veritas !

The British were in charge of the Palestine Mandate (which decreed a 2 state solution - wrongly) but the Jews launched a war (against the occupants) on the very day that the mandate expired (with a "nod" from the Yankers).

Speaking as someone who had a relative murdered (in the bombing of the King David Hotel by the JB terrorists) I think I may know a little more than most.

It WAS the British who supplied the blue water which enabled Israel to become a nucear state, though (whether by accident or deliberately is still debatable).

The British had agreed an export license for the blue water to a Norwegian firm, claiming that they didn't know that this firm had already agreed to sell-it-on to Israel.

Prunella Minge wrote:
My point about Disraeli ages ago was about this. Disraeli was a Jew who did not subscribe to the Jewish religion. Ed Miliband is a Jew who was brought up by two militant atheists, and he remains a secular figure .

How do you know this, Prunella?

He's hardly likely to say he is here to infiltrate the establishment (as they have done in the USA) is he ?

Prunella Minge wrote:
Ed Miliband is a Jew who was brought up by two militant atheists, and he remains a secular figure.

Prunella

The Jewish Chronicle seems to be making quite a fuss about it !
(under the headline - Ed Miliband is Labour's first Jewish leader)

<<< David Miliband had the backing of several Jewish MPs, including Liverpool Riverside’s Louise Ellman and Leeds North East MP Fabian Hamilton.

However the former director of the Labour Friends of Israel and newly elected Liverpool Wavertree MP Luciana Berger, put Ed as her first preference >>>

www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/38701/ed-mili...-first-jewish-leader

I know it because it's common knowledge. I suppose you could still say that the opposite is therefore true, just as you could say I'm a koala with a top hat. The Jewish Chronicle still gets excited about Woody Allen, and Ben Elton, and Seb Coe, Stella McCartney and anyone else who was born jewish, a bit like the Coventry Echo gets excited if someone from Coventry wins an egg race or something. It's hardly logical proof of Miliband's desire to find his faith. I find this desperation to believe in his belief quite bizarre.

Prunella Minge wrote:
I know it because it's common knowledge. I suppose you could still say that the opposite is therefore true, just as you could say I'm a koala with a top hat. The Jewish Chronicle still gets excited about Woody Allen, and Ben Elton, and Seb Coe, Stella McCartney and anyone else who was born jewish, a bit like the Coventry Echo gets excited if someone from Coventry wins an egg race or something. It's hardly logical proof of Miliband's desire to find his faith. I find this desperation to believe in his belief quite bizarre.

not to mention David Beckham, Daniel Radcliffe, Amy Whinehouse and a host of celebrities..I really cannot see the British people giving the slightest toss about a politician being Jewish.

They will vote on policies.

(but I would like to see a koala in a top hat ! )

Prunella Minge wrote:
It's hardly logical proof of Miliband's desire to find his faith. I find this desperation to believe in his belief quite bizarre.

Its because we have a RIGHT to know who is pulling the strings, Prunella !

Just as the Jewish lobby virtually runs America - they will try the same here !

I say again ... would we vote for a Frenchman as possible PM ?
Then why should we vote for someone whose loyalties are probably with another country ?

It is the Israelis themselves who have fused religion and country ... they use it whenever it suits them (and separate the two whenever it doesn't suit).

If it looks like a Jew, talks like a Jew, acts like a Jew (and was born a Jew) - then its probably a Jew !

veritas wrote:
I really cannot see the British people giving the slightest toss about a politician being Jewish.

So you keep saying veritas !

btw I looked into your Johan Hari guy - here's a few of his more accurate articles -

what would happen if the Virgin Mary came to Bethlehem today -
web.archive.org/web/20080623011627/http:...em-today-429658.html

After 150,000 dead why I was wrong about Iraq -
johannhari.com/2006/03/18/after-three-ye...was-wrong-about-iraq

The loathsome smearing of Israel's critics -
www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentato...-critics-822751.html

and while your about it, take a look at this -

edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/09/26/m...ce/index.html?hpt=C1

In The Know wrote:
Prunella Minge wrote:
It's hardly logical proof of Miliband's desire to find his faith. I find this desperation to believe in his belief quite bizarre.

Its because we have a RIGHT to know who is pulling the strings, Prunella !

Just as the Jewish lobby virtually runs America - they will try the same here !

I say again ... would we vote for a Frenchman as possible PM ?
Then why should we vote for someone whose loyalties are probably with another country ?

It is the Israelis themselves who have fused religion and country ... they use it whenever it suits them (and separate the two whenever it doesn't suit).

If it looks like a Jew, talks like a Jew, acts like a Jew (and was born a Jew) - then its probably a Jew !

I suppose that includes me if my mother was Jewish (and I'm anti-Zionist) but you seem to be buying into the Jewish Conspiracy angle.

The US lobby largely hold joint citizenship and they do actually conspire but it's to keep Israel as the most powerful ME countries and they have allies in that such as Saudi Arabia.

But that's politics..and there is a sizable Israeli population that abhors it's own government's actions but they are as powerless as we are when our countries attack Iraq or Afghanistan who have never harmed us !

Personally-watching Ed over the past few months I believe he exudes a sort of honesty ( ..the opposite to his brother) that I believe will grow on the electorate providing he has the support of the party.

And perceptions are everything.

veritas wrote:
And perceptions are everything.

... and actions !
I will be watching very very carefully .... to see where he really does stand (but would never take the risk of voting for him).

This is not just a Jewish thing, veritas - it applies to many others too. I doubt very much if I would ever vote for a Pakistani, because they too (generally) have their real allegiance to their homeland rather than too Britain.

What about Bonar Law?

In The Know wrote:
veritas wrote:
And perceptions are everything.

... and actions !
I will be watching very very carefully .... to see where he really does stand (but would never take the risk of voting for him).

This is not just a Jewish thing, veritas - it applies to many others too. I doubt very much if I would ever vote for a Pakistani, because they too (generally) have their real allegiance to their homeland rather than too Britain.

Parliament is full of different ethnic groups. Doesn't look like many others agree.