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DO they think we are all stupid. Suddenly a document appears that contradicts all the previous documents and statements.

Finally Dr Kelly was an intelligent man who was a Doctor and would know how to kill himself. Why take an overdose when slashing your wrist with a major bladed weapon in a wood would guarantee that you died and went unconcious within minutes.

Yet again - these idiots trying to cover these things up basically contradict their own previous story in a race to cover up.

The frightening thing is this : WHO DID IT ? and WHY ?

What did KELLY know that makes it so important that his death is suicide ? Does it really matter to the authorities ? and if he was killed then they wont ever trace the killers in any case because it is too late to mount an investigation.

I always felt that three extraordinary incidents illustrate the collapse of morality in our country. The Jill Dando murder. My prosecution. And David Kelly's assassination.

That's a bit of a jump, BR, to claim that because Kelly was a doctor he'd plan his suicide with the cool-headed and clinical precision of a doctor. Doctors aren't different from anyone else when it comes to emotional turmoil and/or suicidal tendencies: the very nature of the act doesn't sit neatly with one's most hyper-rational self. You might as well say doctors understand liver disease so they all stay tea-total: we all live with our internal contradictions. Having said that, of course, I quite agree the investigation(s) into the poor man's death remain as implausible as ever.

JK2006 wrote:
I always felt that three extraordinary incidents illustrate the collapse of morality in our country. The Jill Dando murder. My prosecution. And David Kelly's assassination.

With respect, I must disagree. Although, the Kelly affair ranks highly, other cases and factors are much more illustrative - from the Ripper/Soham murders to corruption amongst our politicians and police.

Prunella Minge wrote:
I quite agree the investigation(s) into the poor man's death remain as implausible as ever.

If all is genuine - why the need to "cover it up" for 70 years ?

This info has only come out now as a result of sustained questioning.

Hutton's claim that he "did not want to put the family through further trauma" simply will not wash ... by creating a large degree of suspicion he ensured that the story will not go away !

in The Know wrote:
Prunella Minge wrote:
I quite agree the investigation(s) into the poor man's death remain as implausible as ever.

If all is genuine - why the need to "cover it up" for 70 years ?

This info has only come out now as a result of sustained questioning.

Hutton's claim that he "did not want to put the family through further trauma" simply will not wash ... by creating a large degree of suspicion he ensured that the story will not go away !

We don't disagree, do we? I said it was implausible.

Prunella Minge wrote:
That's a bit of a jump, BR, to claim that because Kelly was a doctor he'd plan his suicide with the cool-headed and clinical precision of a doctor. Doctors aren't different from anyone else when it comes to emotional turmoil and/or suicidal tendencies: the very nature of the act doesn't sit neatly with one's most hyper-rational self. You might as well say doctors understand liver disease so they all stay tea-total: we all live with our internal contradictions. Having said that, of course, I quite agree the investigation(s) into the poor man's death remain as implausible as ever.

I disagree Ms Minge. Was Kelly a medical doctor?. I reckon he would have taken the most comfortable way out and that isn't going out into the woods, slitting wrists with a rusty knife and taking a few pills.

Obviously I cannot know his state of mind but the whole thing stinks...especially the 70 years bit.

veritas wrote:
Prunella Minge wrote:
That's a bit of a jump, BR, to claim that because Kelly was a doctor he'd plan his suicide with the cool-headed and clinical precision of a doctor. Doctors aren't different from anyone else when it comes to emotional turmoil and/or suicidal tendencies: the very nature of the act doesn't sit neatly with one's most hyper-rational self. You might as well say doctors understand liver disease so they all stay tea-total: we all live with our internal contradictions. Having said that, of course, I quite agree the investigation(s) into the poor man's death remain as implausible as ever.

I disagree Ms Minge. Was Kelly a medical doctor?. I reckon he would have taken the most comfortable way out and that isn't going out into the woods, slitting wrists with a rusty knife and taking a few pills.

Obviously I cannot know his state of mind but the whole thing stinks...especially the 70 years bit.

I still think it's an error to conflate the two things. Doctors don't necessarily retain greater cognitive clarity than the rest of us when they're under pressure and depressed. But that issue doesn't affect the fishiness of the inquests. You don't need the former to believe in the latter.

Prunella Minge wrote:
We don't disagree, do we? I said it was implausible.

No - we don't disagree, Prunella (and I still think your name is the best one that I have ever heard !)

It seems that the colleagues who wrote to the press agree with us. They think this "revelation" makes it more likely he was killed because it opens up a whole new set of questions.

Why hide it for 70 years - they had already said he cut his wrists. So why release a document and pretend that it proves that he committed suicide.

Where is the suicide note - where is the proof that he was of unsound mind at the time.

His daughter was getting married and he was getting ready for that - I cant see a family man - a decent man - killing himself at this point just before his precious daughter's wedding. He has everything to live for and was writing a book he was excited about. These are not actions of a depressed man. He was not abusing alcohol or drugs - and he had a fine mind. You dont go and sit in the woods and slit your wrists as Veritas says.

Bodies get dumped in the woods by CONTRACT KILLERS - that is their style - even Eastenders had that storyline with Max LOL. It is not a thing that a Middle Class intellectual would go and do. If he had had enough - he could have fled the country - he had the resources and brain and no one would have questioned him ( like Stephen Fry did when he comtemplated suicide - another fine mind ) .

The whole thing stinks and the only conclusion we can now come to based on this is that he was assassinated BY THE STATE - who then tried to cover it up be locking away documents and that having failed by releasing a document which proves nothing except the original suspicion was well founded.

The Police have covered this up. The Coroner's have covered this up. The State has covered this up.

Kelly was murdered. What a state our country is in.

I agree BR that the whole sceanrio of the 'suicide' itself is suspicious.

Interestingly I saw Fry recently in Sydney at a show where he discussed his depression and suicidal thoughts and this concurs with many others who speak similarly.

The mental pain becoming so severe they seek relief in death but usually in as gentle way as possible.

All of Kelly's prior actions in the preceeding weeks do not appear as those of a suicidal person (who often appear very upbeat as they have chose their escape and can seem very happy to family members).

He appeared troubled but it just doesn't seem credible given the circumstances he used. They just look like a very botched attempt to me and an after cover-up.

It's highly likely Kelly held all sorts of secrets and the manner in which he was being atrcoiously trashed by ghastly politicians could have made the establlishment feel he was a loose cannon.

But the 70 year rule is the giveaway...there is a secret to hide and commonsense tells us it is a secret about the manner of his death.

Well...if I was trying to murder a doctor and wanted it to look like suicide would I REALLY choose such a non-clinical method? Wouldn't I at least try to make it look like a doctor had used his knowledge to make the exit as quick and painless as possible? I suspect Kelly was murdered, but I'm not convinced by the argument that the irrational nature of his death is proof in itself that it wasn't suicide. It's assuming a degree of amateurism in the assassins that just doesn't ring true. Maybe Prescott was dispatched to do it.

I'm absolutely with you Pru. My gut instinct is that he was murdered but I'm not convinced by many of the conspiracy theorist arguments.

JK2006 wrote:
I'm absolutely with you Pru. My gut instinct is that he was murdered but I'm not convinced by many of the conspiracy theorist arguments.

I agree that he was murdered ... but I think it highly likely the security forces would use amateurish methods as anything too "clean cut" may look suspicious.

In The Know wrote:
JK2006 wrote:
I'm absolutely with you Pru. My gut instinct is that he was murdered but I'm not convinced by many of the conspiracy theorist arguments.

I agree that he was murdered ... but I think it highly likely the security forces would use amateurish methods as anything too "clean cut" may look suspicious.

you got in one ITK.

Just as the JFK assasination is myriad of mirrors so is the Kelly murder and that's how they like it.

I find talk of 'conspiracy theorists' odd talk. We are surrounded by conspiracies but working out what is real and what isn't is the nightmare.

Government itself is a conspiracy. And then they engage in conspiracies
...the Iraq War is the most glaring example of late. And as Wikileaks shows us even today, once they have waged war they engage in non-stop conspiracies and perpetually lie.

How do you think these things happen...a set of disparate events that just combine to create one big event ?

Put 2 people in a room and you have a conspiracy. This board is a conspiracy.

(conspiracy lecture ends here )

I also tend to think that people are deliberatly "pointed" in the wrong direction - so they run round in crcles looking for the wrong thing.

If the Post Mortem is so "clean" - why the need to "hide" it for 70 years? Unless, of couse, we are supposed to be so fixated by the PM that we overlook "clues" elsewhere?

Why was the body moved? Who by? And for what reason?

I find it mystifying why someone as eminent as a nuclear weapons inspector - obviously used to stress and pressure - would "kill" himself over a bit of publicity.